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And next, Syria?

coley said:
Aye, we could have stopped another "juggernaut" in the Sudetenland or Checesovolakia but we didn't, did we?
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Report on Syria conflict finds 11.5% of population killed or injured

Syria’s national wealth, infrastructure and institutions have been “almost obliterated” by the “catastrophic impact” of nearly five years of conflict, a new report has found. Fatalities caused by war, directly and indirectly, amount to 470,000, according to the Syrian Centre for Policy Research (SCPR) – a far higher total than the figure of 250,000 used by the United Nations until it stopped collecting statistics 18 months ago...
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so assaf "wins" a devastated country which could have been avoided if the bastard had stepped down.
maybe better than is but only just
 
coley said:
Easy peasy, the Kurds are looking at establishing a kurdish nation and are blatantly (and rightly) taking help from any bugger prepared to help them, if it pokes Erdogan in the eye, more fool him, for hating the Kurds rather than looking at the geopolitical situation.
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And your calling Assad a cunt for doing the very same .
 
likesfish said:
so assaf "wins" a devastated country which could have been avoided if the bastard had stepped down.
maybe better than is but only just
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Firstly Presidents don't actually have to step down just because Cameron and Obama tell them to . He rightly told them to fuck off . The devastation is a direct result of them funnelling billions in funds and arms to jihadist groups for years on end . It's purely their fault, not his . Without that this devastation could not have occurred .

Secondly if he had done Al Qaeda inc would currently be having it out with daesh as regards who is the true caliph with the right to sell Syrian women into sex slavery . The entire country would be destroyed and not just bits of it .And we'd be talking about the massive disaster unfolding in Lebanon . And the wankers on here would still be finding a way to blame Putin for that too . Rather than a western policy of using jihadists to destroy countries . A policy that should be glaringly obvious by now .
 
likesfish said:
assads "peace process" will involved pits and lists.
CR will be disappointed if no forests are involved though:mad:
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The abject failure of the headless chicken , no influence on the ground, "Syrian opposition " to even agree a common position beforehand ...yknow, that bunch of complete wankers the west thought they were going to install as a government..was the reason for the peace process collapse. No common position ...still..after 5 years is definitely not Assads fault . It's the fault of western powers for collecting together every misfit and arsehole they could find that was opposed to Assad and thinking they could make a cohesive force out of them . They simply couldn't . Just like they couldn't in Libya, totally destroying it in the process .

The lack of negotiations will now result in the situation being decided for them on the ground . As thus . The ramifications of their failure explained .

Battle of Aleppo: A Detailed Analysis
 
Casually Red said:
The abject failure of the headless chicken , no influence on the ground, "Syrian opposition " to even agree a common position beforehand ...yknow, that bunch of complete wankers the west thought they were going to install as a government..was the reason for the peace process collapse. No common position ...still..after 5 years is definitely not Assads fault . It's the fault of western powers for collecting together every misfit and arsehole they could find that was opposed to Assad and thinking they could make a cohesive force out of them . They simply couldn't . Just like they couldn't in Libya, totally destroying it in the process .

The lack of negotiations will now result in the situation being decided for them on the ground . As thus . The ramifications of their failure explained .

Battle of Aleppo: A Detailed Analysis
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Kerry 'blames opposition' for continued Syria bombing

During a conversation on the sidelines of this week’s Syria donor conference in London, sources say Kerry blamed the Syrian opposition for leaving the talks and paving the way for a joint offensive by the Syrian government and Russia on Aleppo.

“‘He said, ‘Don’t blame me – go and blame your opposition,’” one of the aid workers, who asked to remain anonymous to protect her organisation, told Middle East Eye.

- See more at: Kerry 'blames opposition' for continued Syria bombing
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Doctor Carrot said:
Don't be silly. Assad is the Syrian people's lovely great leader it's why tens of thousands of them rose up against him.
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To be fair, putting aside the militarization of Syrian politics by outsider mercs, snipers, bombs, ambushes and the usual insidious billions, there were loads of Syrians that had a problem with Assads government. But when you see armed foreigners turn up in your country and start trying to carve out some sort of Caliphate, a lot of them then chose to resist the invasion. Not because they "love" Assad (some of em do obviously) but because they weren't up for having their country being taken over by Al Nusra, ISIS, the Army of Conquest and other Wahabi/Salafi generally all-round Takfiri "good causes".
 
What a crazy upside down chronology. To be expected though. Either openly dishonest about or openly ignorant of events. Either way, waste of time.
 
camouflage said:
To be fair, putting aside the militarization of Syrian politics by outsider mercs, snipers, bombs, ambushes and the usual insidious billions, there were loads of Syrians that had a problem with Assads government. But when you see armed foreigners turn up in your country and start trying to carve out some sort of Caliphate, a lot of them then chose to resist the invasion. Not because they "love" Assad (some of em do obviously) but because they weren't up for having their country being taken over by Al Nusra, ISIS, the Army of Conquest and other Wahabi/Salafi generally all-round Takfiri "good causes".
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You miss out completely the sectarianism of Assad's government and his stoking of sectarian conflict that lead to the actual 'head choppers' gaining ground. Deliberately orchestrated so the cunt could hang on to power.

Biggest exodus of people since the 1940s and yet there's this fantasy of tens of thousands of Syrians nobley defending Syria for Assad. An exodus made much worse by Assad and Russian bombing. Bombing of schools, hospitals etc but as long as it's not a NATO bomber doing that it's all good, legitimate in fact.

It's this binary of Russia/Assad = good noble defenders - Everyone, and I do mean everyone else = Head chopping Islamist nut case. It's the maddening simplicity with which that picture is presented that grates, the stead fast refusal to admit the facts that Assad is far and away in the lead in the death, destruction and chaos stakes. The constant dodging of any question put regarding that. Not saying that's totally how you've portrayed it but that's the impression that comes across, especially when you make a post like this.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
You miss out completely the sectarianism of Assad's government and his stoking of sectarian conflict that lead to the actual 'head choppers' gaining ground. Deliberately orchestrated so the cunt could hang on to power.

Biggest exodus of people since the 1940s and yet there's this fantasy of tens of thousands of Syrians nobley defending Syria for Assad. An exodus made much worse by Assad and Russian bombing. Bombing of schools, hospitals etc but as long as it's not a NATO bomber doing that it's all good, legitimate in fact.

It's this binary of Russia/Assad = good noble defenders - Everyone, and I do mean everyone else = Head chopping Islamist nut case. It's the maddening simplicity with which that picture is presented that grates, the stead fast refusal to admit the facts that Assad is far and away in the lead in the death, destruction and chaos stakes. The constant dodging of any question put regarding that. Not saying that's totally how you've portrayed it but that's the impression that comes across, especially when you make a post like this.
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I think the same in the other direction, for instance when it's said that hundreds of thousands have been butchered by Assads forces, completely ignoring that over half of those people were in Assads forces. Anyway my point is that those Syrians fighting with or in the SAA aren't necessarily doing so "for Assad", but in their view "for Syria".

War is cruelty, someone once said. I think it was a bad idea to kick off a war of regime change in the first place.

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War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.

William Tecumseh Sherman
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Casually Red said:
All those billions in arms funnelled to head chopping loons from 80 different countries over the last 5 years . and your surprised that happens .
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Remind me who has the air support and the barrel bombs liarboy?

e2a It didn't take you long to start gloating did it?

That's winning cunt to you mush .
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Whether Assad stands or falls there will be nothing to gloat about, just a lot of dead people, ruined lives and a country in ruins.
 
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