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Doctor Carrot said:
Honestly why is it so difficult for you to bring yourself to admit he's a murdering fuckwit who's killed tens of thousands, Overseen mass rapes, tortures and so on? All documented by countless witness accounts. Why is there that block for you?

Yes he's the legitimate leader recognised by the UN, so is Bibi of Israel and that's the point I'm making. To you one is a poor encircled fellow defending his country, the other is an illegitimate murdering fuckwit. I just don't understand why you have this blindness? What exactly do you get out of such slavish servitude to a state you don't even live in? A state that saw an uprising of ordinary working class people squashed by Assad and then turned into this. Why the fuck do you support that? I just don't understand it.
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You seem to have a difficulty understanding a lot of things . Assad doesn't walk about with lazer beams coming out of his eyes levelling buildings like Godzilla. it's the Syrian people , the ordinary working class Syrian people who are fighting for their country in their army , in their militias against these lunatics . And being slaughtered in their tens of thousands by foreign backed mercenaries . Not just over 100,000 dying in battle against them but massacred for being a government worker or a relative of a soldier or just the wrong faith . Or even for " blaspheming " as happened when a 14 year old kid sold these liberators coffee in the wrong way .

In Assad they see the only man holding their country together . Which is what they're fighting for .Because all the rest want to tear it apart, as their western backers openly discussed for years .And you simply choose not to see them . just as you choose not to see what will happen to them if they capitulate . And it's then these ordinary working class people you claim to care about just become an irrelevance and a statistic . And it won't stop there because then Lebanon will be next .

Assad simply could not remain as leader without his people's support . Not for all those years against the array of forces, including a superpower, that have set their hostility towards Syria into motion for years on end . it's an impossibility .
 
Casually Red said:
You seem to have a difficulty understanding a lot of things . Assad doesn't walk about with lazer beams coming out of his eyes levelling buildings like Godzilla. it's the Syrian people , the ordinary working class Syrian people who are fighting for their country in their army , in their militias against these lunatics . And being slaughtered in their tens of thousands by foreign backed mercenaries . Not just over 100,000 dying in battle against them but massacred for being a government worker or a relative of a soldier or just the wrong faith . Or even for " blaspheming " as happened when a 14 year old kid sold these liberators coffee in the wrong way .

In Assad they see the only man holding their country together . Which is what they're fighting for .Because all the rest want to tear it apart, as their western backers openly discussed for years .And you simply choose not to see them . just as you choose not to see what will happen to them if they capitulate . And it's then these ordinary working class people you claim to care about just become an irrelevance and a statistic . And it won't stop there because then Lebanon will be next .

Assad simply could not remain as leader without his people's support . Not for all those years against the array of forces, including a superpower, that have set their hostility towards Syria into motion for years on end . it's an impossibility .
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Deluded fuckwittery of the highest order but you carry on. It's heartening the majority on here can see through your bullshit.
 
Casually Red said:
Incisive rebuttal there herr doctor .

Sadly it's the majority in Syria who actually count and not the approval of you and your mates .
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You're not worth the time it takes to rebutt. Your view of the conflict is so spectacularly wrong it's laughable. You actually think hundreds of thousands of ordinary Syrians are actually on the side of Assad and have rushed in droves to sign up for his army. If that's what you actually think, and it appears it is, then you're not worth the time it takes to rebutt.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
Honestly why is it so difficult for you to bring yourself to admit he's a murdering fuckwit who's killed tens of thousands, Overseen mass rapes, tortures and so on? All documented by countless witness accounts. Why is there that block for you?

Yes he's the legitimate leader recognised by the UN, so is Bibi of Israel and that's the point I'm making. To you one is a poor encircled fellow defending his country, the other is an illegitimate murdering fuckwit. I just don't understand why you have this blindness? What exactly do you get out of such slavish servitude to a state you don't even live in? A state that saw an uprising of ordinary working class people squashed by Assad and then turned into this. Why the fuck do you support that? I just don't understand it.
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Most people have given up trying to understand Casually Red slavish devotion to Putin.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
You're not worth the time it takes to rebutt. Your view of the conflict is so spectacularly wrong it's laughable. You actually think hundreds of thousands of ordinary Syrians are actually on the side of Assad and have rushed in droves to sign up for his army. If that's what you actually think, and it appears it is, then you're not worth the time it takes to rebutt.
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Yes, and that army just happens to be winning as well . All over the place . What's actually happening on the ground is all it takes to rebut your cameronisms .
 
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Casually Red said:
Yes, and that army just happens to be winning as well . All over the place . What's actually happening on the ground is all it takes to rebut your cameronisms .
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ll if you describe winning as retaking piles of rubble that have been levelled by intensive bombing, then yes, I suppose he is "winning"
 
Assad is an utter bastard still less of a bastard than IS.
Given the choice you'd back assad against is doesnt make it a good choice.
Its the old realpolitick except that its russia backing some murderous shit against the barb :mad:
 
"The Syria War Will Not Be a Quagmire -- Because Putin and Assad Are Winning" :

The Syria War Will Not Be a Quagmire -- Because Putin and Assad Are Winning

"To put it baldly then, as things stand, Syria seems to be heading not towards a "quagmire" as many western politicians have suggested, but rather to a clear military outcome. As one knowledgable commentator noted, the negotiating table is not in Geneva. The true negotiations are taking place on the battlefields of Idlib and Aleppo -- and what has just been negotiated is the near encirclement of rebel forces into a cauldron."
 
Doctor Carrot said:
Yes taking back about 2% of land is an enormous success isn't it? Look at all those heroic working class Syrians fighting for their murderous tyrant glorious leader.

Cameronisms :D
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Yes, Cameronisms . And woefully out of date ones at that . Your head chopping " working class heroes " are fucked . They'll be getting the full gutty very shortly indeed .
Courtesy of that Syrian Army that has no members .


Syria rebels risk collapse after Russia-backed regime gains

All over the show

For an army with no soldiers that's a he'll of a lot of offensives at the one time . And all of them successful . It's turning into a rout for the no good bastards .

LA Times

Rebel setbacks in Syria have far reaching consequences | The National

Syrian troops make major advances in coastal region with help of Russian airstrikes
 
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Casually Red said:
Yes, Cameronisms . And woefully out of date ones at that . Your head chopping " working class heroes " are fucked . They'll be getting the full gutty very shortly indeed .
Courtesy of that Syrian Army that has no members .


Syria rebels risk collapse after Russia-backed regime gains

All over the show

For an army with no soldiers that's a he'll of a lot of offensives at the one time . And all of them successful . It's turning into a rout for the no good bastards .

LA Times

Rebel setbacks in Syria have far reaching consequences | The National
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Stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say Assad's army had no soldiers. I'm questioning your argument that hundreds of thousands of ordinary Syrians rushed to voluntarily join up to Assad's army to gallantly defend their country as soon as civil unrest broke out in 2011. Is this what you think?
 
Even your own links say Assad is reliant on Iranian and Hezbollah mercenaries as well as Russian air power. It's the only reason he is still in power.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
Stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say Assad's army had no soldiers. I'm questioning your argument that hundreds of thousands of ordinary Syrians rushed to voluntarily join up to Assad's army to gallantly defend their country as soon as civil unrest broke out in 2011. Is this what you think?
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No no, you're making shit up now and backtracking after I proved you were talking mad dogs shite . It's 2016 now . Not 2011, we werent talking about 5 years ago, thats 150 pages back the other way . we are talking about now .For example , one of the soldiers liberated from the 4 year long Daesh siege of Kweires airbase late last year ..by the Syrian Army...was reunited with his soldier son, who was still a schoolboy when his father was first besieged .
That's what's happening now . Thousands are still signing up to the army, thousands more to the pro Army and pro Assad militias . Combined that's a few hundred thousand over the past few years. Even former rebels have switched back and rejoined the army or NDF after amnesties .
And it's those forces which are winning .

Winning all over the fucking place, on numerous fronts .
 
Doctor Carrot said:
Even your own links say Assad is reliant on Iranian and Hezbollah mercenaries as well as Russian air power. It's the only reason he is still in power.
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They say no such thing, only that those forces are active . And ive deliberately chosen western right wing mainstream media links as anything from any other source would see you assholes leaping about wailing . You'll only digest western capitalist media sources but you aren't getting off the hook with diversions .
There's only a few thousand foreign fighters fighting for Assad . Hezbollah is only a small irregular force from a tiny country a fraction of Syrians size . And only a fraction of its forces are deployed in Syria . Their primary role is training and directing the militias . Same too with the IRGC . They're mainly making up the shortfall in officers, after the SAA taking over 100,000 casualties. That's dead casualties . The wounded and maimed will be triple that at least .

So that seems to be your line now. Let's clarify. The Syrian Army aren't winning. In fact they barely exist and aren't really doing anything . The Syrians all hate Assad . And only the Russians , Iranians , and Hezbollah are helping him cling to power in a country with no support or with no army worth speaking of and were everyone hates him.

Because that'll work out fucking well won't it . That's a fucking plan and a half and no mistake, guvnor. occupying a country of millions , with a handful of planes and few thousand Lebanese and Iranians . That'll work . Putin must be a complete dunce who couldn't find his arse with both hands , everyone knows that .
Or maybe it's your and Cameron's scenario that's completely up the left .
 
Casually Red said:
No no, you're making shit up now and backtracking after I proved you were talking mad dogs shite . It's 2016 now . Not 2011, we werent talking about 5 years ago, thats 150 pages back the other way . we are talking about now .For example , one of the soldiers liberated from the 4 year long Daesh siege of Kweires airbase late last year ..by the Syrian Army...was reunited with his soldier son, who was still a schoolboy when his father was first besieged .
That's what's happening now . Thousands are still signing up to the army, thousands more to the pro Army and pro Assad militias . Combined that's a few hundred thousand over the past few years. Even former rebels have switched back and rejoined the army or NDF after amnesties .
And it's those forces which are winning .

Winning all over the fucking place, on numerous fronts .
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What have you proved exactly? You haven't even answered my question. Really? Signing up in their thousands are they? That's a good one, that's hilarious actually do you do stand up? So thousands are signing up but they're fucked without the help of Iranian mercernaries, Hezbollah mercernaries and Russian air power, that's according to the link you posted by the way.

According to ya man himself the army was seriously over stretched and under resourced even after your other man started bombing. So you're telling me that within a couple of months 'thousands' have suddenly decided to sign up for good ol' Assad eh?

Syria army conscription and poor conditions stir anger
 
Casually Red said:
They say no such thing, only that those forces are active . And ive deliberately chosen western right wing mainstream media links as anything from any other source would see you assholes leaping about wailing . You'll only digest western capitalist media sources but you aren't getting off the hook with diversions .
There's only a few thousand foreign fighters fighting for Assad . Hezbollah is only a small irregular force from a tiny country a fraction of Syrians size . And only a fraction of its forces are deployed in Syria . Their primary role is training and directing the militias . Same too with the IRGC . They're mainly making up the shortfall in officers, after the SAA taking over 100,000 casualties. That's dead casualties . The wounded and maimed will be triple that at least .

So that seems to be your line now. Let's clarify. The Syrian Army aren't winning. In fact they barely exist and aren't really doing anything . The Syrians all hate Assad . And only the Russians , Iranians , and Hezbollah are helping him cling to power in a country with no support or with no army worth speaking of and were everyone hates him.

Because that'll work out fucking well won't it . That's a fucking plan and a half and no mistake, guvnor. occupying a country of millions , with a handful of planes and few thousand Lebanese and Iranians . That'll work . Putin must be a complete dunce who couldn't find his arse with both hands , everyone knows that .
Or maybe it's your and Cameron's scenario that's completely up the left .
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It's amazingly odd you post shite but then don't bother to read it. Read the LA times link it says, several times, Assad is reliant on those forces.

What are the Syrian army winning? Sure gains have been made but it's hardly winning anything. You make out like they're the red army entering Berlin. Where did I say they barely exist? Do quote me won't you? Where did I say the Syrians all hate Assad? Do quote me won't you? Yes those forces are helping him cling to power as pointed out by, well, everyone really, without them they're fucked and you know it but admitting it opens the flood gates on how spectacularly wrong you've been on all this. You do get it's perfectly possible for a murderous minority to ruthlessly cling to power over a population that despises them don't you? You've read history before haven't you?
 
teqniq said:
Syrian regime forces are responsible for more civilian deaths than Isis

Just to put it in perspective, not that it excuses IS in any way whatsoever.
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And you're back again scattergunning the place with your Syrian rebel sources , on this occasion a western media platform that sources its info from there as the basis for its claim. Including that bloke in the semi in Coventry who admits he classifies armed insurgents as " civilians "

A good , detailed piece here on the people you and your link get your propaganda from .

The Syrian opposition: who's doing the talking? | Charlie Skelton
 
Doctor Carrot said:
It's amazingly odd you post shite but then don't bother to read it. Read the LA times link it says, several times, Assad is reliant on those forces.

What are the Syrian army winning? Sure gains have been made but it's hardly winning anything. You make out like they're the red army entering Berlin. Where did I say they barely exist? Do
quote me won't you? Where did I say the Syrians all hate Assad? Do quote me won't you? Yes those forces are helping him cling to power as pointed out by, well, everyone really, without them they're fucked and you know it but admitting it opens the flood gates on how spectacularly wrong you've been on all this. You do get it's perfectly possible for a murderous minority to ruthlessly cling to power over a population that despises them don't you? You've read history before haven't you?
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Over a population in revolt supported militarily, financially and politically by the worlds sole superpower , Britain , France, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the Gulf states and Jordan. And hordes of bearded maniacs from the 4 corners of the earth.

No, that's not possible. It's totally impossible . Only a fuckwit would think it possible .

Assad is reliant on assistance...of course he fucking is. Because the main NATO countries have been actively fuelling a war against him for the past 5 years and every bearded maniac on Gods earth has been flowing in , with the active assistance of turkeys military and sage havens inside turkey, it has taken massive attrition against his army. His country is also under military and economic blockade by the west . This happened in Spain during the 30s too . They were reliant on outside aid . It didn't mean their own people were against them .

I've showed you were the Syrian Army are winning. So have other posters. We've all posted links which show exactly how . Go back and fucking read them properly. It points it out quite clearly . Unless you can't read

Words

Or maps .
 
teqniq said:
More cognitive dissonance bullshit. You're like a fucking broken record.

The only reason he's still in power is because of Shia and Iranian mercenaries, Afghan conscripts and Russian air support.
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Horseshit . Did that bloke in Coventry tell you that ?

He's there first and foremost because his own people support him and that's why the Syrian people and their army will win.

Find another imperialist adventure to support . You lot have lost this one .
 
I have told you once already I have no horse in this race. I have also told you I am anti-imperialist. The fact remains that the regime have committed atrocities on a wholesale basis along with others. They should all have to pay for what they have done but I hold no great hope that this will come to pass.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
What have you proved exactly? You haven't even answered my question. Really? Signing up in their thousands are they? That's a good one, that's hilarious actually do you do stand up? So thousands are signing up but they're fucked without the help of Iranian mercernaries, Hezbollah mercernaries and Russian air power, that's according to the link you posted by the way.

According to ya man himself the army was seriously over stretched and under resourced even after your other man started bombing. So you're telling me that within a couple of months 'thousands' have suddenly decided to sign up for good ol' Assad eh?

Syria army conscription and poor conditions stir anger
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Right..your source is some site that's talking about a handful of Facebook posts it doesn't even link to .

That's your comeback now ?

Some Facebook posts you haven't even seen yourself ? Vs massive Syrian Army advances on numerous fronts, taking strongholds that have stood for 4 years, The fall of all rebel positions in Latakia, the cutting of virtually all major rebel supply lines from Turkey, the lifting of 2 massive 4 year sieges ,the encirclement of Alleppo and the impending fall of Idlib and Jisr Al Shugur..which will pretty much end the war against the rebels and just leave the SAA vs IS for the final showdown .

Some supposed Facebook posts you haven't even seen .

Also in case you haven't noticed it Russian intervention has massively boosted morale . As have the non stop string of victories over the last few months on multiple fronts .
 
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