And next, Syria?
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Jeremiah18.17
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Peace talks suspended until end of Feb, apparently: UN suspends Syria peace talks until end of February
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Interesting piece here on the interchangeability and basic reality between the head chopping offing , revolutionary " good " FSA and actual Al Qaeda ...besties...and the attempts to rebrand Al Qaeda as the goodies .
Al Qaeda in Syria, The Report - BBC Radio 4
I'm sure someone will manage to deconstruct that horrendous western imperialist slur upon those proud revolutionaries. With both panache and revolutionary , libertarian gusto .
Hay caramba !!
Al Qaeda in Syria, The Report - BBC Radio 4
I'm sure someone will manage to deconstruct that horrendous western imperialist slur upon those proud revolutionaries. With both panache and revolutionary , libertarian gusto .
Hay caramba !!
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camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Turkey may be preparing to invade Syria...
Russia accuses Turkey of preparing to invade Syria
This has been a looming concern for a few months, Erdogan was said to have wanted to invade last year but was stopped by the Russian presence, especially after the airbush resulted in S-400's imposing a no-fly zone [against NATO aggression]. Looks like now the Turks have worked themselves up to it again due to the losses sustained by their jihadimerc 'freedom' fighters. In fact the Kurds have said and shown vids that Turkey has already setup positions in northern Syria.
Russia accuses Turkey of preparing to invade Syria
This has been a looming concern for a few months, Erdogan was said to have wanted to invade last year but was stopped by the Russian presence, especially after the airbush resulted in S-400's imposing a no-fly zone [against NATO aggression]. Looks like now the Turks have worked themselves up to it again due to the losses sustained by their jihadimerc 'freedom' fighters. In fact the Kurds have said and shown vids that Turkey has already setup positions in northern Syria.
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coley
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Things seem to be going quite nicely for Assad, between his barrel bombing and the indiscriminate Russian air strikes, there won't be any anti govt people left in Syria before long.
Things seem to be going quite nicely for Assad, between his barrel bombing and the indiscriminate Russian air strikes, there won't be any anti govt people left in Syria before long.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not true - he's barely taken back any of what he lost in the second half of last year. Which was a lot. Momentum is clearly with him though. he rebels were starved of weapons (the more useful ones anyway) to pressure them to the peace talks. Now it's clear that the peace talks were used as cover by assad for further offensives the weapons are going to start flowing back now. And then we'll see how the mercenaries and shia jihadis react to serious defences.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Out of curiosity, what's the beef with barrel bombs? Are they worse than normal bombs in any way? I know stuff like cluster munitions are nasty for well recognised reasons, but how are barrel bombs distinct from conventional bombs in terms of what they do on the ground?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They are dropped unguided and untargeted onto civilians area to indiscriminately kill and drive the civilian populations out of the the cities, turning them into refugees or to turn them against the rebels. It has never once had the latter effect - in fact it's driven them into the arms of rebels of all stripes. It''s very efficient on both parts of the former.
Yet, this isn't terrorism.
coley
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Need to make sharp then, 15,000 on the Turkish border with tens of thousands more expected, Erdogan is visibly salivating on the pressure this can be brought to bear on the EU ( and possibly NATO)?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
theres two issues with them: one, the fact that they are unguided, and given the aerodynamics of an oil barrel rolled off the ramp of a cargo aircraft or helicopter at 10,000ft, unaimable - think pin the tail on the donkey at 2 miles with a stick that wobbles like mad - and secondly that their contruction lends them to destruction of soft, rather than hardened, targets. military targets, of course, tend to be hardened...
if you think of a normal military bomb, less half the weight is explosive, and more than half the weight the steel case which can be several inches thick depending on the bomb. the weight of steel is used to provide two things - penetration of concrete/earth/steel in order to get the explosive through to where it needs to detonatein order to destroy buried or armoured targets, and then fragmentation, which is the bit where the explosive converts the pentration case into several thousand razor blades travelling at around 3,000 miles an hour. this, in combination with the blast pressure of the explosive, is what breaks things. however, what it also does is limit the amount of explosive, so that while huge quantities if fragments are produced, they don't go as far as they would with more explosive driving a much smaller quantity of fragments.
interestingly, (or not...
) as the size/weight of bombs goes up, the weight of the case increases at a much greater rate than the weight of the explosive - so a bog standard 500lb bomb contains just under 200lb of explosive, but a 5,000lb bomb will contain only around 600lb of explosives, so while deadly in a closed space, like a bunker, in an open environment the explosive doesn't have enough drive to send the two tonnes of steel very far, meaning that while it would make a very big bang, and depending on the fusing make a very big hole, and completely destroy what it hit, it would have relatively little effect on something perhaps 300 metres or more away. however a barrel bomb has a ridiculously high explosive to case ratio - because it is simply an oil barrel filled with explosives/incilendary so it produces far fewer fragments but a much greater blast effect than a military bomb of the same headline weight. blast has little effect against hardened tagets like bunkers, tranches, armoured vehicles etc.. but it rips the shit out of buildings, unarmoured vehicles and, of course, those fragile, liquid filled things called people - and the blast effect, uninhibited but the weight of the fragments, travels further. it also converts anything lying around into shrapnel...
the barrel bombs are also, in aircraft terms, light - a small cargo airfraft like an AN-26 CURL could drop at least a dozen in one go.
/nerd off/
coley
Well-Known Member
theres two issues with them: one, the fact that they are unguided, and given the aerodynamics of an oil barrel rolled off the ramp of a cargo aircraft or helicopter at 10,000ft, unaimable - think pin the tail on the donkey at 2 miles with a stick that wobbles like mad - and secondly that their contruction lends them to destruction of soft, rather than hardened, targets. military targets, of course, tend to be hardened...
if you think of a normal military bomb, less half the weight is explosive, and more than half the weight the steel case which can be several inches thick depending on the bomb. the weight of steel is used to provide two things - penetration of concrete/earth/steel in order to get the explosive through to where it needs to detonatein order to destroy buried or armoured targets, and then fragmentation, which is the bit where the explosive converts the pentration case into several thousand razor blades travelling at around 3,000 miles an hour. this, in combination with the blast pressure of the explosive, is what breaks things. however, what it also does is limit the amount of explosive, so that while huge quantities if fragments are produced, they don't go as far as they would with more explosive driving a much smaller quantity of fragments.
interestingly, (or not...
however a barrel bomb has a ridiculously high explosive to case ratio - because it is simply an oil barrel filled with explosives/incilendary so it produces far fewer fragments but a much greater blast effect than a military bomb of the same headline weight. blast has little effect against hardened tagets like bunkers, tranches, armoured vehicles etc.. but it rips the shit out of buildings, unarmoured vehicles and, of course, those fragile, liquid filled things called people - and the blast effect, uninhibited but the weight of the fragments, travels further. it also converts anything lying around into shrapnel...
the barrel bombs are also, in aircraft terms, light - a small cargo airfraft like an AN-26 CURL could drop at least a dozen in one go.
/nerd off/
The only points you missed ( or didn't sufficiently highlight) are they are, 1,cheap and easy to manufacture, 2, they don't rely on highly trained personnel to load them, transport, and drop them.
A readily available supply of sociopaths can do the job at no great expense.
"Battlefield realities rather than great power politics will determine the ultimate terms of a settlement to end the Syrian Civil War. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his allies in Russia and Iran have internalized this basic principle even as Washington and other Western capitals pinned their hopes upon UN-sponsored Geneva Talks, which faltered only two days after they began on February 1, 2016. Russian airpower and Iranian manpower have brought President Assad within five miles of completing the encirclement of Aleppo City, the largest urban center in Syria and an opposition stronghold since 2012. The current campaign has already surpassed the high-water mark set by the regime’s previous failed attempt to besiege Aleppo City in early 2015. The full encirclement of Aleppo City would fuel a humanitarian catastrophe, shatter opposition morale, fundamentally challenge Turkish strategic ambitions, and deny the opposition its most valuable bargaining chip before the international community."
from Assad Regime Gains in Aleppo Alter Balance of Power in Northern Syria
from Assad Regime Gains in Aleppo Alter Balance of Power in Northern Syria
coley
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Worrying that Turkey will drag NATO into its shyte politics.
"Like I wrote, first the grinding, then the collapse, then the pursuit until the last jihadi croaks. (literary reference: 'til he spouts black blood and rolls dead out" Let's see, who wrote my formula first - Ah, Napoleon, then Clausewitz, then Stonewall, then maybe who, Lord Slim of Burma? pl "
Sic Semper Tyrannis : Syria, 5 February 2016
Sic Semper Tyrannis : Syria, 5 February 2016
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fuck me, what a surprise.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Thoroughly interesting discussion that. For someone like me who's loosely followed this thread and watched it get dumped on by ludicrous state cheerleaders it was invaluable. Cheers for posting, I need to read that book.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Yeah, I think so.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fascists have been going out there are the regimes invitation for years - Nick Griffin has been an honoured guest a number of times now.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
What's the mutual attraction?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fascism. Strong man fantasies. Money. Ego.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Yeah but does Assad (and Gaddaffi before him...and what about Saddam?) see in the fash?
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