Almost certainly forlorn hope of a serious thread to consider the political implications of monarchy as impacted by the death of the Queen.

[8ball]

A pity we won't be around to see the end .

Let's not be hasty..

 

[wow]

for many leaders the notion of personality remains theoretical

Better theoretical than unattainable.

 

[Yossarian]

I think the big impact of Brenda going and Chucky sitting on the Golden Seat for a few years is that the number of states with the monarchy as the head of will fall at a ever growing rate. Barbados is going already, things are looking good that Jamaica and Bermuda might follow in the not too distant future. The loss of Jamaica one of the big four members (excluding us) will certainly help.

Belize has been talking about it as well. According to the Guardian, most of the countries who had the queen as head of state and became independent after her reign began will have to change their constitutions because there's no provision for 'Her Majesty' to automatically become 'His Majesty."

In these countries, constitutions will need to be amended to refer to her successor. In countries such as Jamaica, where there is a strong republican movement, and Belize, these constitutional changes will also require a referendum, according to Commonwealth experts. This is expected to bring about a moment of political peril for the new monarch, who, after Barbados became a republic in 2021, could face the loss of another prominent part of the Caribbean Commonwealth.

Questions are also likely to arise in countries such as Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Antigua and Barbuda, the Bahamas, Grenada, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines over whether the new monarch could lawfully appoint a governor general, if the relevant country’s constitution has not been changed to refer to the King, and continues to refer to the Queen as head of state.

 

[danny la rouge]

For those of a more anarchist stripe, what does the current behaviour of a large minority, or perhaps a majority, of the UK population say for any theory of personality in leaders?

I’m of anarchist stripe, but I’m not sure what you’re asking here.

Can you explain further?

 

[A380]

I’m of anarchist stripe, but I’m not sure what you’re asking here.

Can you explain further?

Lots of people seem to like the idea of a head of state. In our case a monarch, in others presidents or similar. In a non- hierarchical system how would society deal with that desire?

 

[danny la rouge]

Lots of people seem to like the idea of a head of state. In our case a monarch, in others presidents or similar. In a non- hierarchical system how would society deal with that desire?

Ah! OK, I think probably that desire is socially conditioned by the hierarchical society we live in. There's reputable studies and books exploring this field. I don't think humans have an innate desire to be dominated.

 

[mx wcfc]

I think the big impact of Brenda going and Chucky sitting on the Golden Seat for a few years is that the number of states with the monarchy as the head of will fall at a ever growing rate. Barbados is going already, things are looking good that Jamaica and Bermuda might follow in the not too distant future. The loss of Jamaica one of the big four members (excluding us) will certainly help. Australia, Canada or New Zealand becoming republics will pretty much deliver a death blow to the idea of the Commonwealth.
I think we're stuck with the royals for another generation or two yet (certainly longer than my lifetime) but I am still optimistic that Chucky is the penultimate king, Billy will get the throne but I still think it is unlikely his kids will ever see it.

Agreed.

This just happened for example

UK Government Blocks Bermuda From Legalizing Marijuana On Same Day New Prime Minister Takes Office

The United Kingdom has a new leader. And one of the government’s first acts under Prime Minister Liz Truss was to refuse to give formal permission to allow Bermuda to enact a law to legalize and regulate marijuana—despite reports that Truss herself previously supported legalizing cannabis. This...

www.marijuanamoment.net

Could be a trigger for Bermuda. Would be good to see them sticking two fingers up at Truss. Which makes me think, wouldn't it be funny if Truss has triggered a mass exodus by doing this.

 

[tim]

I think the big impact of Brenda going and Chucky sitting on the Golden Seat for a few years is that the number of states with the monarchy as the head of will fall at a ever growing rate. Barbados is going already, things are looking good that Jamaica and Bermuda might follow in the not too distant future. The loss of Jamaica one of the big four members (excluding us) will certainly help. Australia, Canada or New Zealand becoming republics will pretty much deliver a death blow to the idea of the Commonwealth.
I think we're stuck with the royals for another generation or two yet (certainly longer than my lifetime) but I am still optimistic that Chucky is the penultimate king, Billy will get the throne but I still think it is unlikely his kids will ever see it.

Unlike Barbados, Bermuda isn't as an independent state. It's a Crown Dependency: a British Colony; so would seem unlikely to follow in the "not to distant future". From a quick Google there doesn't even seem to be a particularly strong movement
for independence.

 

[mx wcfc]

Unlike Barbados, Bermuda isn't as an independent state. It's a Crown Dependency: a British Colony; so would seem unlikely to follow in the "not to distant future". From a quick Google there doesn't even seem to be a particularly strong movement
for independence.

Spoilsport

 

[mojo pixy]

Ah! OK, I think probably that desire is socially conditioned by the hierarchical society we live in. There's reputable studies and books exploring this field. I don't think humans have an innate desire to be dominated.

However we do have innate desires for guidance, support and protection, we tend to respect experience and expertise, and possibly a lot of us also have an innate desire for someone else to take important, risky decisions on our behalf. None of this boils down to 'must have leader' but it does give us a tendency towards hierarchy in a lot of social situations. This is easily exploited, and I think that's the real issue we have to struggle with.

 

[danny la rouge]

However we do have innate desires for guidance, support and protection, we tend to respect experience and expertise, and possibly a lot of us also have an innate desire for someone else to take important, risky decisions on our behalf. None of this boils down to 'must have leader' but it does give us a tendency towards hierarchy in a lot of social situations. This is easily exploited, and I think that's the real issue we have to struggle with.

We may be using different definitions of innate.

I think we are wired for community and cooperation. I think we can be socialised for any number of variations on this. I’d prefer we designed a culture that is egalitarian and with a horizontal structure.

 

[RD2003]

perhaps you could adduce some evidence to back up this u shaped support

I think he's possibly right. Only anecdotal, but the area I recently moved to is a mixture of working class residents who go back generations here, and middle class graduates of the local universities who've settled here and mostly work in the public sector. The working class woman next door organised a jubilee party last June, and it was mostly the wc 'proper' locals who turned out. It wouldn't necessarily indicate support for the monarchy, as some might have just wanted to support the woman for putting in the effort and doing something that was, in its own way, community-minded.

We get on well with her, but luckily we had Covid that week and so any (hinted) pressure to join in was lifted.

 

[RD2003]

I witnessed/detected no support for either the monarchy or for the suspension of strike action at work this morning. In the first instance the only comments were either properly negative or along the lines of 'they have nothing to do with/no interest in me and mine'. In the second instance it was a mix of 'what a ball ache coming into work is when you had other stuff planned' and 'nothing has changed in our situation so why change what we're doing'. But perhaps Royal mail employees aren't properly working class or something.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

A cousin of mine drives for the Post Office, and he had his day all planned out: curry and pub with his mates, and then the City match. He's at work now and dead pissed off.

Edit: Mrs RD has just pointed out that today wasn't actually a strike day, but she spoke to him earlier, and it seems what's pissing him off is having to go in Friday when he'd planned other stuff, and now the football is off.

 

[mojo pixy]

We may be using different definitions of innate.

I think we are wired for community and cooperation. I think we can be socialised for any number of variations on this. I’d prefer we designed a culture that is egalitarian and with a horizontal structure.

Likewise, but I've seen 'horizontal power structures' turn vertical so many times I doubt such things are really possible as a long term organizational structure. Even when it succeeds, time served and levels of expertise/experience tend to subvert the horizontal. Plus there's a huge issue around charismatic, popular individuals and 'grapevine' gossip etc.

Obviously this is anecdotal, and there's social conditioning involved, but after many years of involvement with political and cultural events and organisations I've become a bit cynical about the whole idea of 'horizontal power structures'. They favour dishonesty and mind-game factionalism and all too often descend into conflict and splitting.

As an aspiration/model I remain in favour. I have yet to see it work in reality, beyond a small group with specific aims.

 

[eatmorecheese]

A sane viewpoint.

 

[moochedit]

First (as far as i know) referendum announcement....

BBC News - Charles III: Antigua and Barbuda plans vote on King's role as head of state

Charles III: Antigua and Barbuda plans vote on King's role as head of state

The country's PM says the poll will be held within three years, but Australia rules out a vote.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[bluescreen]

Will C III give Liz Truss a hard time in the weekly audience by asking her difficult embarrassing questions, about poverty and housing and climate change? With well informed supplementaries if she just waffles? Will he advise and warn? And if he does, will she decide not to attend? Can anyone make her?
Would this be a constitutional crisis?

Well, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Will C III give Liz Truss a hard time in the weekly audience by asking her difficult embarrassing questions, about poverty and housing and climate change? With well informed supplementaries if she just waffles? Will he advise and warn? And if he does, will she decide not to attend? Can anyone make her?
Would this be a constitutional crisis?

Well, I'm not holding my breath.

Of course not. If there are any, his difficult and embarrassing questions will centre on how much tax he and his family are expected to pay and how their property rights can be protected. That's all any of them give a shit about. The fucker is landlord class from his decades as heir, and he's always acted in close alignment to that class interest. The royal family don't give a shit about the poor any more than Liz Truss does.

 

[Tanya1982]

Kind of interesting...

Denmark’s Queen Margrethe strips four grandchildren of royal titles

Official reason to allow children ‘to shape their own existence’ while mother of two princes losing titles ‘shocked’ by decision

www.theguardian.com

 

[danny la rouge]

Kind of interesting...

Denmark’s Queen Margrethe strips four grandchildren of royal titles

Official reason to allow children ‘to shape their own existence’ while mother of two princes losing titles ‘shocked’ by decision

www.theguardian.com

Jesus, this stuff is like an Ealing Comedy. They “will only be able to use their titles of Count and Countess of Monpezat, their previous titles of Prince and Princess of Denmark ceasing to exist”.

WE CAN’T AFFORD TO TURN THE HEATING ON!

 

[Tanya1982]

Pity the poor, downgraded Danish royals. Then again, they have a point, Charles | Catherine Bennett

Our new King should follow Queen Margrethe and slim down the regal household

www.theguardian.com