Alex Jones - Two Stops Past Barking?

[SpineyNorman]

lol

 

[Knotted]

If by "rang rings", you mean "bulldozed with crackpot rhetoric that gave his fanboys (and they're nearly always boys) a boner".

Not really. He answered Aaronovitch's non-point with ease. He made it look as if Andrew Neil was trying to silence him (despite the fact that he had been given a platform by him). They left the issue of the nature of the Bilderberg League open and he filled the gap. I suspect that there would have been a lot of people who might think that Jones would have a point worth considering while being irritated at Neil and Aaronovitch. I certainly would have when I was younger and more naive. He got a lot of points in, non of which were absurd on the face of it and he got free publicity. They looked like smirking idiots. He slaughtered them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not really. He answered Aaronovitch's non-point with ease. He made it look as if Andrew Neil was trying to silence him (despite the fact that he had been given a platform by him)

Andrew Neil was trying to silence him.

They left the issue of the nature of the Bilderberg League open...

What else can any sensible person do? With stuff like Bilderberg you've only got two "newsworthy" directions for debate - take "the official line" or take the "conspiracy line". Either way you end up looking like a putz.

...and he filled the gap.

He always fills the gap. Jones, like nature, abhors a vacuum. He fills empty space with the thing he loves most: His own voice.

I suspect that there would have been a lot of people who might think that Jones would have a point worth considering while being irritated at Neil and Aaronovitch

Your suspicions may be slightly partial.

I certainly would have when I was younger and more naive. He got a lot of points in, non of which were absurd on the face of it and he got free publicity. They looked like smirking idiots. He slaughtered them.

They always look like smirking idiots, probably because they are smirking idiots - smug self-satisfied smirking idiots.

That doesn't make Alex Jones right, neither does it lend his bellowings substance, it just means he's a slightly better human being than Neil or Aaronovitch, which isn't really saying much.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

Not really. He answered Aaronovitch's non-point with ease. He made it look as if Andrew Neil was trying to silence him (despite the fact that he had been given a platform by him). They left the issue of the nature of the Bilderberg League open and he filled the gap. I suspect that there would have been a lot of people who might think that Jones would have a point worth considering while being irritated at Neil and Aaronovitch. I certainly would have when I was younger and more naive. He got a lot of points in, non of which were absurd on the face of it and he got free publicity. They looked like smirking idiots. He slaughtered them.

Ohh, just fuck off already.

 

[Dillinger4]

I can't believe Andrew Neil has been mentioned so many times and not one of you has posted this

 

[Knotted]

I didn't say Alex Jones was right. But in my judgement his fringe appeal would have been broadened by that appearance. He came on knowing what he was going to say, he followed his plan and he achieved his goals. Whereas Neil and Aaronovitch were just improvising (or they were so crap that it looked like they were improvising).

It's not easy being a nut-case with a following. Alex Jones knows what he's about. He possibly made a mistake in that he misjudged English culture, though. We (unfortunately) favour suave put downs over aggressive shoutiness.

 

[framed]

I didn't say Alex Jones was right. But in my judgement his fringe appeal would have been broadened by that appearance. He came on knowing what he was going to say, he followed his plan and he achieved his goals. Whereas Neil and Aaronovitch were just improvising (or they were so crap that it looked like they were improvising).

It's not easy being a nut-case with a following. Alex Jones knows what he's about. He possibly made a mistake in that he misjudged English culture, though. We (unfortunately) favour suave put downs over aggressive shoutiness.

I prefer reasoned argument to suave put downs, this was neither.

 

[Fedayn]

Young men stıll do thıs ın Turkey.

Not uncommon in Sri Lanka too.

 

[kavenism]

My sock on FB messes around with a few CT'ers. One of them just send this about Jones.


Looks like from a long time ago though. Interestingly this was offered up to me as evidence that Jones was the leader of the controlled opposition.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

What conspiracy theories does he endorse?

Well, he rarely goes more than 2 shows without mentioning that the Queen is a goat/centaur with hooves. This is clearly meant as "humour", but he makes other allusions to "wizards and eunuchs" and oft-times "skullfuckers" that indicates to me that he believes some of the occult practices attributed to them. I think he explicitly said so, and has touched on 911 at least once.

He clearly thinks that paedophilia in the establishment is more widespread than is still generally held to be the case.

I'm also pretty sure he buys Max Keiser's purport that the financial collapse of 2008 was a "controlled demolition".

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Yeah it's got BERG in the name (Jews) and has been a staple on the neo-nazi wing of the conspiracy movement for at least 20 years maybe longer now.

https://www.google.co.uk/#biw=1706&bih=1230&sclient=psy-ab&q=berg german name&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=98017265bc840e87&pf=p&pdl=300

"Berg" is the German suffix meaning "town" or "cliff" and is not an unusual one to find in German names, including some nazis.

Nuremberg was of course a prime centre of nazi rallies and gave it's name to a series of anti-semitic laws.

Anyone who would so easily co-relate "berg" to "Jew" as many anti semites do, is simply stupid, as surely most anti semites are.

I can not fathom anti semitism at all to be honest. I know it has it's history and I have tried to learn about it. I just can't get into the heads of what motivates people to it in the information age. Obviously, it is not rational - I guess that's why I can't fathom it.

Yet the automatic equating of theories about conspiracies with anti semitism is also irrational.

Someone upthread said that it was lunacy to side with Jones or the Official blagging for Bilderberg. I broadly agree and think there is also an underexplored and large territory between

(i)an absurd and sickening propensity to blame conspiracies on Jewish people

and

(ii) The assumption that people who cite a conspiracy are almost or actually inherently promoting the idea that Jewish people must be to blame.


God knows how many times I've made this simple and rational point here. It's roughly equal to the amount of times that otherwise rational people have poured derision on it, and not even massively in excess in the amount of times libels have technically been made, not that I could obviously be arsed to pursue them if I had the money, but it's still grotesque.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Max Keiser interviews Mark McGowan (Artist Taxi Driver)

 

[scalyboy]

Well, he rarely goes more than 2 shows without mentioning that the Queen is a goat/centaur with hooves. This is clearly meant as "humour", but he makes other allusions to "wizards and eunuchs" and oft-times "skullfuckers" that indicates to me that he believes some of the occult practices attributed to them. I think he explicitly said so, and has touched on 911 at least once.

He clearly thinks that paedophilia in the establishment is more widespread than is still generally held to be the case.

I'm also pretty sure he buys Max Keiser's purport that the financial collapse of 2008 was a "controlled demolition".

He is a performance artist though - all the above could be part of a 'persona'...?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Not all conspiracy theorists are anti-semitic, although clearly anti-semitism drives one of the most important strains, in terms of shaping the characteristic patterns of CT.

Historically though, there have been several other flavours of CT. For example 18th-19th C. masonic conspiracy theories, particularly outside the immediate influence of the Catholic church, e.g. in the US, for the most part focused on the Illuminati etc. and the mainstream of that flavour of CT only really developed significant anti-semitic elements after the 'Protocols' appeared.

In present time, there's the likes of Anders Breivik, Mad Mel, Fjordman, Pamela Gellar et. al. who think that actually it's Muslims seeking to bring about 'Eurabia' who are the phantom menace.

I'd also consider climate change deniers to be a type of CT.

However Jones, Icke and Rense all have form for supporting anti-semitic CTs. Eg. Icke's promotion of Zundel's holocaust denial stuff, Jones's promotion of Henry Mackow' endorsements of the Protocols of the Elder's of Zion etc.

 

[butchersapron]

Well, he rarely goes more than 2 shows without mentioning that the Queen is a goat/centaur with hooves. This is clearly meant as "humour", but he makes other allusions to "wizards and eunuchs" and oft-times "skullfuckers" that indicates to me that he believes some of the occult practices attributed to them. I think he explicitly said so, and has touched on 911 at least once.

He clearly thinks that paedophilia in the establishment is more widespread than is still generally held to be the case.

I'm also pretty sure he buys Max Keiser's purport that the financial collapse of 2008 was a "controlled demolition".

So you actually have pretty much zilch to sustain your claim that he is Left wing conspiracy theorist.

 

[frogwoman]

Not all conspiracy theorists are anti-semitic, although clearly anti-semitism drives one of the most important strains, in terms of shaping the characteristic patterns of CT.

Historically though, there have been several other flavours of CT. For example 18th-19th C. masonic conspiracy theories, particularly outside the immediate influence of the Catholic church, e.g. in the US, for the most part focused on the Illuminati etc. and the mainstream of that flavour of CT only really developed significant anti-semitic elements after the 'Protocols' appeared.

In present time, there's the likes of Anders Breivik, Mad Mel, Fjordman, Pamela Gellar et. al. who think that actually it's Muslims seeking to bring about 'Eurabia' who are the phantom menace.

I'd also consider climate change deniers to be a type of CT.

However Jones, Icke and Rense all have form for supporting anti-semitic CTs. Eg. Icke's promotion of Zundel's holocaust denial stuff, Jones's promotion of Henry Mackow' endorsements of the Protocols of the Elder's of Zion etc.

Plenty of zionist conspiracy theorists, the Eurabia stuff is one of them (and its usually mixed in with racism/ Obama birth certificate etc shit as well). Doesn't mean they are right, or any less scum just because they have a different type of bigotry from the usual.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I can't believe Andrew Neil has been mentioned so many times and not one of you has posted this

Personally I find it unkind to the woman in the picture that people keep reminding her, decades after she was so young and foolish, of her dalliance with Andrew Neil.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

So you actually have pretty much zilch to sustain your claim that he is Left wing conspiracy theorist.

Apart from him being clearly left of centre in his opposition to privatisation and general rhetoric (always speaking out for the vulnerable and our collective responsibility to them), his constant naming and slagging off of the likes of Rio Tinto, Exarta, ATOS and various other menaces, and apart from his subscription to some theories about conspiracies then you could have a point Butchers.

And if you overlook the Oxygen and Hydrogen - there's no Oxygen or Hydrogen in water either.

Blimey Butchers, the quality of your logic is highly varied. I've don't think I've ever seen such incisive analysis and wisdom contrast with such unmitigated smartarse hokum attributed to one poster.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Apart from him being clearly left of centre in his opposition to privatisation and general rhetoric (always speaking out for the vulnerable and our collective responsibility to them), his constant naming and slagging off of the likes of Rio Tinto, Exarta, ATOS and various other menaces, and apart from his subscription to some theories about conspiracies then you could have a point Butchers.

And if you overlook the Oxygen and Hydrogen - there's no Oxygen or Hydrogen in water either.

Blimey Butchers, the quality of your logic is highly varied. I've don't think I've ever seen such incisive analysis and wisdom contrast with such unmitigated smartarse hokum attributed to one poster.

Which conspiracy theories does he subscribe to and where is your evidence of this? Him joking that the queen is a goat doesn't really cut it as he clearly doesn't actually think she's a goat. And in the one with Alex Jones in his cab he's clearly taking the piss.

 

[DotCommunist]

He does use the phrase 'main stream media' quite a bit which CT'ers do also.

but then treelovers fond of the phrase, it is hardly indicative of chemtrail belief etc

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Which conspiracy theories does he subscribe to and where is your evidence of this? Him joking that the queen is a goat doesn't really cut it as he clearly doesn't actually think she's a goat. And in the one with Alex Jones in his cab he's clearly taking the piss.

The evidence is in his various broadcasts that you'd have to listen to because I'm not going to sift through and edit.

Indeed the "Queen/centaur" thing is a joke.

Plenty of people would cite him a conspiracy theorist just for speaking out about Bilderberg of course. I listed the other stuff upthread in response to Butchers.

He is not the worlds biggest subsrciber to Conspiracy Theorists. Plenty of people are quite mild and balanced in their approach to this issue.

 

[SpineyNorman]

The evidence is in his various broadcasts that you'd have to listen to because I'm not going to sift through and edit.

Indeed the "Queen/centaur" thing is a joke.

Plenty of people would cite him a conspiracy theorist just for speaking out about Bilderberg of course. I listed the other stuff upthread in response to Butchers.

He is not the worlds biggest subsrciber to Conspiracy Theorists. Plenty of people are quite mild and balanced in their approach to this issue.

No actual evidence then. Not even a little bit. None at all. So when it comes down to it all we have to go on is you claiming you get the general impression that he's a conspiracy theorist. You just know he's one.

Please don't take this the wrong way but I'm not going to trust your judgement on this - judging by your posting record on here your judgement is slightly more reliable than Jazzz's but if you told me the sky was blue I'd still feel the need to cast my eyes upwards just to make sure.

 

[butchersapron]

Hi

Apart from him being clearly left of centre in his opposition to privatisation and general rhetoric (always speaking out for the vulnerable and our collective responsibility to them), his constant naming and slagging off of the likes of Rio Tinto, Exarta, ATOS and various other menaces, and apart from his subscription to some theories about conspiracies then you could have a point Butchers.

And if you overlook the Oxygen and Hydrogen - there's no Oxygen or Hydrogen in water either.

Blimey Butchers, the quality of your logic is highly varied. I've don't think I've ever seen such incisive analysis and wisdom contrast with such unmitigated smartarse hokum attributed to one poster.

What question did I ask you. (Note the brevity of it as well whilst you are it, might learn something). Did I ask you what left wing views he endorses?

 

[frogwoman]

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[frogwoman]

He does use the phrase 'main stream media' quite a bit which CT'ers do also.

but then treelovers fond of the phrase, it is hardly indicative of chemtrail belief etc

its quite a common one, it doesnt mean you're a loon. I don't want to believe he is a loon without evidence because I am fond of the man and his youtube rants have entertained me many a time.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Hi
What question did I ask you. (Note the brevity of it as well whilst you are it, might learn something). Did I ask you what left wing views he endorses?

You said I had no evidence he was a left wing conspiracy theorist.

He has left wing views and he has some theories about conspiracies. Hope this helps.

 

[SpineyNorman]

You said I had no evidence he was a left wing conspiracy theorist.

He has left wing views and he has some theories about conspiracies. Hope this helps.

Yet you're completely incapable of saying what these conspiracies are or providing any evidence to support the claim that he subscribes to them.

It's a bit weak really - I can't say I'm convinced.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Oh noes! Mark interviewed Luke, who I am pretty sure is one of the guys behind "Loose Change". Weep and denounce the chunky one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-gZJfS8Ya4

 

[butchersapron]

You said I had no evidence he was a left wing conspiracy theorist.

He has left wing views and he has some theories about conspiracies. Hope this helps.

I asked you what conspiracy theories he endorses. You couldn't come up with any. When I pointed this out you responded by pretending that you thought I was querying whether he had left wing views not conspiracy views. All fairly transparent. Could you now outline which conspiracy theories he endorses?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Yet you're completely incapable of saying what these conspiracies are or providing any evidence to support the claim that he subscribes to them.

It's a bit weak really - I can't say I'm convinced.

I haven't got all the time in the world to trawl through all his videos but I may post up some refs as I do.

I did say what the conspiracies were, in a post to Butchers. You can't look back up the thread a little bit. It's a bit weak really.