Aircraft in Pentagon security camera video
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I'm not even sure he is a real doctor....Stigmata said:Yeah, it's clearly a big coverup. The American government made an airliner and it's passengers disappear, then they shot the Pentagon with a missile and pretended it was the plane. Then they sneaked in lots of broken up plane bits to the wreckage to confuse everyone.
Don't believe everything you see on newsgroups DrJazzz.
Stigmata
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DrJazzz said:
Eh? Have you ever driven past an airport DrJazzz? They're noted the fequency of low-flying planes, and also for the heavy traffic that surrounds them. I've never noticed any cars blowing about though. Maybe Internet nuts use different airports or something.
Are you just imagining a lot of this stuff?
No, because if a fighter jet launched a missile at close range into the Pentagon, you certainly wouldn't see the missile. You might hear it though. It is quite hard enough making out 400+mph plane at ground level, let alone a 2000mph missile.editor said:
Your pilot Tim Timmerman claims the plane hit the ground, which is completely impossible given the many photos showing a pristine lawn. His testimony is therefore discredited.
Do you have anything further to add on the subject of the eyewitness reports?
That you are relying on cherry-picking eyewitnesses, rather than hard evidence that flight 77 hit the Pentagon says it all.
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Starry Wisdom
if everyone was watching a 747, then a missile could have crept passed unnoticed.
editor
hiraethified
Discredited by whom exactly?DrJazzz said:
And where are you getting this ridiculous notion that people wouldn't see a missile being fired?
And how come not a single soul saw this mysterious missile firing jet fighter? Why is that? Where did it come from? And who was the suicidal pilot?
And what happened to the original plane - and who faked that phone call?
DrJazzz said:
And as for eye witness reports, there's a huge list of credible, independent accounts here.
here
And would you care to discredit the clear eye witness testimony of a religious man too, DrJ?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i was joking. which i would have hoped you'd realise.editor said:
eyewitness at the WTC
Deep below the tower, Mike Pecoraro was suddenly interrupted in his grinding task by a shake on his shoulder from his co-worker. “Did you see that?” he was asked. Mike told him that he had seen nothing. “You didn’t see the lights flicker?”, his co-worker asked again. “No,” Mike responded, but he knew immediately that if the lights had flickered, it could spell trouble. A power surge or interruption could play havoc with the building’s equipment. If all the pumps trip out or pulse meters trip, it could make for a very long day bringing the entire center’s equipment back on-line.
Mike told his co-worker to call upstairs to their Assistant Chief Engineer and find out if everything was all right. His co-worker made the call and reported back to Mike that he was told that the Assistant Chief did not know what happened but that the whole building seemed to shake and there was a loud explosion. They had been told to stay where they were and “sit tight” until the Assistant Chief got back to them. By this time, however, the room they were working in began to fill with a white smoke. “We smelled kerosene,” Mike recalled, “I was thinking maybe a car fire was upstairs”, referring to the parking garage located below grade in the tower but above the deep space where they were working.
The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working. When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone.
“There was nothing there but rubble, “Mike said. “We’re talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press – gone!” The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer. They saw a perfect line of smoke streaming through the air. “You could stand here,” he said, “and two inches over you couldn’t breathe. We couldn’t see through the smoke so we started screaming.” But there was still no answer.
The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. “There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can’t see anything” he said.
They decided to ascend two more levels to the building’s lobby. As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up “like a piece of aluminum foil” and lying on the floor. “They got us again,” Mike told his co-worker, referring to the terrorist attack at the center in 1993. Having been through that bombing, Mike recalled seeing similar things happen to the building’s structure. He was convinced a bomb had gone off in the building.
Consider the implications of what Mr. Pecoraro describes: At this point the only overt damage to the building was the plane crash some 95 floors above, which could not have caused violent explosions underground. Since the towers were anchored at the base to the bedrock the shaking caused by the crash would have been greatest close to the crash site, getting progressively weaker as it approached the rigid attachment at the bottom. Yet the underground damage he describes can not have been the result of a mere shaking - nothing short of an explosion could reduce the contents of a machine shop to rubble.
from http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/underground/underground_explosions.htm
Deep below the tower, Mike Pecoraro was suddenly interrupted in his grinding task by a shake on his shoulder from his co-worker. “Did you see that?” he was asked. Mike told him that he had seen nothing. “You didn’t see the lights flicker?”, his co-worker asked again. “No,” Mike responded, but he knew immediately that if the lights had flickered, it could spell trouble. A power surge or interruption could play havoc with the building’s equipment. If all the pumps trip out or pulse meters trip, it could make for a very long day bringing the entire center’s equipment back on-line.
Mike told his co-worker to call upstairs to their Assistant Chief Engineer and find out if everything was all right. His co-worker made the call and reported back to Mike that he was told that the Assistant Chief did not know what happened but that the whole building seemed to shake and there was a loud explosion. They had been told to stay where they were and “sit tight” until the Assistant Chief got back to them. By this time, however, the room they were working in began to fill with a white smoke. “We smelled kerosene,” Mike recalled, “I was thinking maybe a car fire was upstairs”, referring to the parking garage located below grade in the tower but above the deep space where they were working.
The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working. When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone.
“There was nothing there but rubble, “Mike said. “We’re talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press – gone!” The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer. They saw a perfect line of smoke streaming through the air. “You could stand here,” he said, “and two inches over you couldn’t breathe. We couldn’t see through the smoke so we started screaming.” But there was still no answer.
The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. “There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can’t see anything” he said.
They decided to ascend two more levels to the building’s lobby. As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up “like a piece of aluminum foil” and lying on the floor. “They got us again,” Mike told his co-worker, referring to the terrorist attack at the center in 1993. Having been through that bombing, Mike recalled seeing similar things happen to the building’s structure. He was convinced a bomb had gone off in the building.
Consider the implications of what Mr. Pecoraro describes: At this point the only overt damage to the building was the plane crash some 95 floors above, which could not have caused violent explosions underground. Since the towers were anchored at the base to the bedrock the shaking caused by the crash would have been greatest close to the crash site, getting progressively weaker as it approached the rigid attachment at the bottom. Yet the underground damage he describes can not have been the result of a mere shaking - nothing short of an explosion could reduce the contents of a machine shop to rubble.
from http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/underground/underground_explosions.htm
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i wouldn't put too much credence in the testimony of god botherers.
even if they're right.
even if they're right.
editor
hiraethified
Seeing as you started this fucking thread about the Pentagon, I'd be obliged if you kept it on topic.DrJazzz said:
I'd like you to explain why you think it wasn't a 757 that hit the Pentagon when there's a host of credible, independent eye witnesses saying that's exactly what they saw.
But if you're going to insist that it was a missile, perhaps you might elaborate as to why not a living soul saw either the jet fighter or missile, who the suicidal pilot was and what happened to the original passenger plane, its crew and flight crew and how they faked the phone call from that plane.
Is there any remote chance of you addressing these conspiracy-crushing questions?
It doesn't. The point is if you are going to rely on eyewitness reports then you are going to have to believe that bombs went off in the WTC. You'll also have to believe that there was no 'inferno' present in either tower.
If you can't take that site seriously, why don't you read the original article here in Chief Engineer magazine? Not a conspiracy publication at all.
http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=1029
(you could have found that yourself if you weren't so lazy as to not click on the link provided)
Would you like me to provide more eyewitness testimonies of bombs going off in the WTC?
If you can't take that site seriously, why don't you read the original article here in Chief Engineer magazine? Not a conspiracy publication at all.
http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=1029
(you could have found that yourself if you weren't so lazy as to not click on the link provided)
Would you like me to provide more eyewitness testimonies of bombs going off in the WTC?
editor
hiraethified
No. I'd like you to stay on topic and address the completely relevant points I've made above.DrJazzz said:
You started the thread on the topic of the Pentagon crash. If you're not prepared to discuss this subject because you find the facts too uncomfortable for your fact free fables, then it's going in the bin.
If you wish to discuss the WTC for the ten millioneth time, save yourself the bother and have a look in the bin where you'll find it's been more than adequately discussed, ad infinitum.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
imitation is the highest form of flattery. or so i've heard.editor said:
Oh, poor little editordiddums!editor said:
He's threatening to bin the thread because the argument isn't going his way!!!
The eyewitness testimony of the WTC basement is new. It has never been posted on Urban before. If you hold that eyewitness testimonies are so important then you must take note of this one!
It is YOU who is repeated the same old arguments, over and over again. You have produced them thread after thread and here you go again.
I am not going to indulge this childish I-run-the-site-so-every-argument-must-go-my-way-or-else type posturing.
Shame on you!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
find me a humourless poster and we'll see.editor said:
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
DrJazzz said:Oh, poor little editordiddums!
He's threatening to bin the thread because the argument isn't going his way!!!
The eyewitness testimony of the WTC basement is new. It has never been posted on Urban before. If you hold that eyewitness testimonies are so important then you must take note of this one!
It is YOU who is repeated the same old arguments, over and over again. You have produced them thread after thread and here you go again.
I am not going to indulge this childish I-run-the-site-so-every-argument-must-go-my-way-or-else type posturing.
Shame on you!
I hardly think the ed was losing the argument actually,and a s for the evidence of the WTC basement I thought we were discussing planes and the Pentagon.
Oh yeh and by the way that wtc witness wasnt a firefighter as you claimed,so I think we need to seriously doubt your ability to put up a coherent argument when you can't get facts correct!
editor
hiraethified
So you absolutely refuse to discuss the eye witness accounts because they don't fit your ludicrous conspiracy fantasies?DrJazzz said:
You started this fucking tedious conspiracy thread.
You were the one that wanted to talk about the Pentagon "missile" (guffaw!) , so why are you refusing to do so now?
If you're not prepared to discuss and debate relevant issues on the threads you start, I suggest you refrain from starting any more.
1927 said:
Can't you see how much of a bully editor is? Just look at his last post... Jeez...
the thing is 1927, we've been over the eyewitness reports at the Pentagon many, many times. They differ substantially and as such, I don't base my belief on what happened there on any them. There are questions of much harder evidence such as impact hole size/identifiable debris/missing wings which are of much greater import to me.
But this is editor's tactic, he will keep hammering exactly the same point over and over again, and demand that you answer him, forgetting that you already have perhaps fifty times already. The result is, unsurprisingly, an entirely meaningless thread.
This time however, I've spun it around by producing a fantastic eyewitness account of basement devastation in the WTC, so he is getting uptight much faster than usual.
That wasn't a firefighter - but here is one, Louie Cacchioli, of twenty years experience
http://www.prisonplanet.com/louie_cacchioli.html
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