Aircraft in Pentagon security camera video

[Loki]

Compared to other mass media (ultimately controlled by a handful of people)

Do you think news organisations like Al jazeera - highly critical of the Bush Administration - are in Bush's pay to keep quiet about your amazing conspiracy theory?

 

[Loki]

Do you think news organisations like Al jazeera - highly critical of the Bush Administration - are in Bush's pay to keep quiet about your amazing conspiracy theory?

I can see you're online DrJazzz, but presumably the question I asked doesn't fit with your conspiranoid worldview so you can't come up with an answer. Oh well.

 

[Jazzz]

I can see you're online DrJazzz, but presumably the question I asked doesn't fit with your conspiranoid worldview so you can't come up with an answer. Oh well.

Firstly just because it says I'm online doesn't mean I am necessarily in front of the computer.

Secondly you really haven't done me too many favours around here, which doesn't dipose me to not have you on ignore. I am more than happy to exchange views geniunely but unfortunately you are one of those who is simply seeking to ridicule.

But, here's your answer. Yes, if you follow Al-Jazeera up high enough, you will find the same people who pull the strings of Georgie boy. Do you know who owns A-J?

It's not rigid control, like say the old Russian news agencies, but yes, all major media has inherent censorship. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that Al-Jazeera is not subject to these forces because it 'opposes' GWB - the most convincing propanda is that put forward by an apparent conflict. Think the shills where conmen play three-card-monte. You get sucked in because you believe they are working against the conman. Or think wrestling. Is that genuine, or are you getting a show? After all, the wrestlers appear to hate each other's guts!

here's the freemasons' motto, in case you didn't already know it:

Ordo ab Chaos.

Certainly, we see what appears to be chaos. But is it managed? The funny handshake brigade reckon so.

 

[Loki]

Secondly you really haven't done me too many favours around here, which doesn't dipose me to not have you on ignore.

Well I'm glad you haven't shoved me on ignore. Despite the fact I don't believe in any of your conspiranoid bollocks I like you Dr Jazzz.

 

[Jazzz]

hey Loki, this is world politics! fluffy forums are over there!



ta for the compliment

 

[editor]

It wouldn't require technology that isn't already in the public domain, it wouldn't require thousands of fake witnesses (just a handful) and you wouldn't need to pay off anyone.

So was Lyz Glick paid off to lie about her husband's calls from the 9/11 planes YES/NO? And by whom?

Was the reporter, pilot, preacher and al the other independent eye witnesses who say they saw the 757 hit the Pentagon all paid to lie too?

That would be a truly astonishing claim. Have you, perchance, the smallest shred of proof to support such a revelation?

 

[editor]

But, here's your answer. Yes, if you follow Al-Jazeera up high enough, you will find the same people who pull the strings of Georgie boy. Do you know who owns A-J?

So just to get this straight: you're saying that Al-Jazeera are in the 9/11 conspiracy too?

Have you, perchance, the smallest shred of proof to support such a revelation?

 

[cynical_bastard]

Why is it that with the abundance of credible conspiracies out there, such as BCCI, PROMIS, South American arms/drugs/terrorism etc, conspiraloons focus on tinfoil drivel like UFOs, chemtrails, scalar weaponry and invisible shapeshifting missile-firing missile-planes?

 

[pk]

as Hitler noted, the 'big lie' has a far greater chance of success than a small one.

Oh fuck off, puh-lease...

The world is flat, smoking is good for you, Huntley is Innocent, etc etc...

Get a life mate.

 

[cynical_bastard]

The world is flat, smoking is good for you, Huntley is Innocent, etc etc...

That's SO last year. Modern conspiraloons are talking about the following:
Russia Proves 'Peak Oil' is a Misleading Zionist Scam
Iraq-Iran Alliance Prepares to Destroy Zion
Experts prove Policewoman Murdered by Zionists
Vladimir Putin Hammers The Final Nail into Israel's Coffin

Not that Vialls is a Jew hating fuckwit or anything.

 

[Jazzz]

Funny, I was being told off for going 'off-topic' earlier when mentioning eyewitnesses at the WTC

 

[editor]

Funny, I was being told off for going 'off-topic' earlier when mentioning eyewitnesses at the WTC

Seeing as you refuse to answer on-topic questions in threads you started yourself, it's no surprise that people have given up and moved on.

But now you're here: do you think that Al-Jazeera are in on the 9/11 conspiracy too? And if so, what proof have you?

 

[layabout]

Of course!

The amazing thing is that to create this mysterious missile-firing-missile-cum-fake 757 it would have taken an immense force of hundreds - if not many thousands - of scientists, designers, engineers, aeronautic experts, missile experts, ballistic experts, workmen, ground staff, control tower staff, pilots, camouflage experts and transportation specialists.

I'd imagine that one or two of them may have been a little put out when they discovered that their work was being used to blow up large chunks of New York and slaughter their fellow American citizens in an attempt to kickstart a (now) increasingly unpopular war in Iraq.

Yet not one of them has uttered a peep!

You'd also think American Airlines might have a thing to say about what happened too, seeing as they lost their aircraft and their profits collapsed post 9/11, but they haven't said a thing either!

And then, of course, there's all the thousands of other conspirators involved in the miraculous disappearance of the other planes and - presumably - the cold blooded murder of their fellow American citizens. Once again, the roll call of people involved in such a monumental cover up would be absolutely immense, but - again - not a peep from any of them has been heard!

I just knew David Copperfield would be involved somewhere down the line............

 

[alphaDelta]

Ohhhh... you awoke the demons DEEEE-MONS!

 

[pk]

Seeing as you refuse to answer on-topic questions in threads you started yourself, it's no surprise that people have given up and moved on.

But now you're here: do you think that Al-Jazeera are in on the 9/11 conspiracy too? And if so, what proof have you?

I'd like to know more about this - especially seeing as I have actually worked for them in the past.

Or are you merely repeating yet more frivolous shit you found on the internet again, Jazzz?

 

[Wess]

I don't want to get involved in this spat, but I've never heard of any conventional high rise buildings being constructed without steel girders. Could you give some examples please because I'm baffled as to how they would be built.

Did you try google?
Actually steel girders are getting rearer in their use in the construction of high rise buildings, here's how something like a 15 or 20 story block of units or offices is constructed. obviously not exact but you'll get the gyst)
Years ago the steel girder skeleton was the main way they were built now the concrete is poured into moulds a section at a time and it just goes up and up a floor at a time.

The base foundation is all finished and we're ready to go up. There are these really big "cages of steel" (see the second pic.) that surround the first wall of cement and cement pillars, all reinforced with reo. The concrete is poured into this mould a section at a time, this is happening inside the construction as well, there are pillers going up that are the supporting structure for the building) scaffolding goes around the outside for several reasons for everything from access to putting the windows in or painting or coating the outside of the building.
If you drive around a city and look closely at how they are being built you will see the big metal concrete moulds going around the building at the level they are at, as the concrete is finished the frame goes up.....the second pic is a good pic of the process...it's is just concrete being poured into that frame around the building while steelfixers inside tie mesh together, the pillers that have already been poured have reo bar sticking out of it (I can't remember the name of them right now) to form the floor along with formwork carpenters putting together formwork moulds for the concrete. The building doesn't have a steel girder skeleton, most modern buildings are now being built like this. I just Hope the pics work.


imagine concrete pillars all at the same hight then a floor will be poured into like this (all I could get was a thumbnail)

 

[Crispy]

Yep, that's in-situ concrete construction. Quite common.
Still plenty of steel buildings though, and there's nothing better than steel for taller buildings.

 

[editor]

Did you try google?
Actually steel girders are getting rearer in their use in the construction of high rise buildings, here's how something like a 15 or 20 story block of units or offices is constructed. obviously not exact but you'll get the gyst)

I did use google and searched for comparable skyscrapers - i.e. something remotely similar to the WTC, and not much smaller, more modern structures.

So did you manage to find any examples of comparable, conventional high rise buildings being constructed without steel girders in your google search, because I didn't.

 

[fubert]

I did use google and searched for comparable skyscrapers - i.e. something remotely similar to the WTC, and not much smaller, more modern structures.

So did you manage to find any examples of comparable, conventional high rise buildings being constructed without steel girders in your google search, because I didn't.

I asked my sister about this as she's an architect.

So she told me that you get two basic structure types, concrete or steel. Even when the structure has a predominantly concrete framework it's reinforced with girders. Site she mentioned

 

[Wess]

So did you manage to find any examples of comparable, conventional high rise buildings being constructed without steel girders in your google search, because I didn't.

No I didn't because that is not what I was looking for..and this seems to be turning into something ugly here and I've got no idea why...

It started with ....

steel girders are used in every concrete tower - you're the idiot...figure it out...maybe go have a look at one being built.

and I replied by saying,.. They are not...nothing was said about the WTC and or WTC sized buildings and I was not referring too WTC sized building I was merely correcting an obvious mistake by saying that it is not so.

My reply below.

No they are not...I worked on at least a dozen highrise towers as a rigger, Dogman/Cranechaser and a scaffolder....Not all High Rise buildings use steel girders in their construction.....you really should do a bit of research before you start spouting bullshit and accusing others of being in the fog...

OK..then you said to me...

I don't want to get involved in this spat, but I've never heard of any conventional high rise buildings being constructed without steel girders. Could you give some examples please because I'm baffled as to how they would be built.

Now, once again I said not all High Rise buildings are built using girders, you can believe me or not, but I can assure you they are not. Just because you may have the WTC in mind doesn't mean I did, and I was also not referring to how the WTC was built.

So I explained the best way I could, perhaps not clear or in technical terms I'm not a structural engineer nor do I try to pass myself off as knowing all about this stuff, but having worked on many large construction projects where I was the one slinging the steel or running around on the steel aloft, in most high rise buildings that are built these day's it is outdated technology. It was used exclusively years back and probably is still used but definitely not all the time. I asked you if you had googled it because it would be quite obvious that you would get far more information from the net than what I can supply and all I would be doing is googling it anyway....

So did you manage to find any examples of comparable, conventional high rise buildings being constructed without steel girders in your google search, because I didn't.

Once again...I wasn't looking for building like the WTC and had no intention of doing so...I didn'ty mention buildings like that and said nothing what so ever about "examples of comparable, conventional high rise buildings being constructed without steel girders"..ok?....if I've said something that may have pissed you off just let me know but please don't start putting words in my mouth or misrepresenting my posts.

Considering this has blown up from absolutely nothing and we were on the same side of the debate I find it a bit unnerving to find myself having to justify what I said when all I said was that "not all concrete towers use steel girders in thier construction"