Aircraft in Pentagon security camera video

[NuTbAr]

Nut Bar
My step sister worked on the 62nd floor of Tower two.
She wasnt there that day she was at another office of her firm.
She watched the planes hit and the towers fall.
We didnt get word that she was ok for three days.

This Attack was real .

i know the attack was real for...fuck, i don't believe the official mass media version of events or the bush government version of events...if you read the links in my above post and read the articles and view the video...which are about "official" documention from your government..starts me questioning...

starts me questioning why the american government would try to shut down the 9/11 commission, why the government would detroy all the evidence from the wtc attack...it is pretty standard to cordon off a crash site and gather the evidence...to restrict access once any lives were saved, not haul in bulldozers and haul it all away and burn it. why would you destroy the evidence of the crime you are investigating? it doesn't make sense and is totally opposite of how events of this nature are handled.

wouldn't you keep it to prove you are right and shut up all the nutbars like me?

 

[editor]

here's the link: http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=89&contentid=1142

And from the same site: The Mind Altering Abilities of Chemtrails

 

[alphaDelta]

Here's the report you're on about.

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/tab_01_report_of_ftx_amalgum_virgo_01_30_june_2001.pdf

It is genuine. I work with one of the agencies detailed in the report.

However it's also covering a huge amount of ground. It details ship, UAV and NBC chemical attacks. Hijacking scenarios are nothing new. There's a picture of the Capitol building; as I've told you, a leading author wrote fiction about it being targeted in the 911 manner in 1994.

It is widely claimed that mistakes were made, that more attention should have been paid to people like bin Laden. So what? That he made it into a report is utterly irrelevant; so did Cuba and Iraq.

 

[Jazzz]

If the missile is close enough to be seen in the same frame as both the tower and the plane then it's below minimum arming distance

Depends how your missile is set up. It could be programmed to go off automatically when within a certain distance away from the WTC

http://www.jackblood.com/index/id31.html

 

[alphaDelta]

People like Nutbar are not necessarily completely mad; one can concoct a more reasonable conspiracy theory if one moves away from the immediate events; for example that the government indirectly funded terrorist groups with it in mind that they would attack America (I am not for one moment suggesting this is the case; simply that it is more believable)

However having drone planes launch invisible missiles is utter nonsense. Please stop.

 

[NuTbAr]

Sorry. Is all this irrelevant waffle supposed to prove that Lyz Glick and her husband didn't exist and that all the eyewitnesses of the Pentagon crash suffered mass hallucinations or something?

And as for the 'remote control' passenger plane fantasiess, please consult the bin.

Oh, and it's a bit of a convention round these parts to actually answer some of the points made in the post you're quoting instead of going off at a weird tangent.

you are impossible dude..you ask for credible.....you didn't even read the stuff...it's real training exercises and the material used in june of 2001.

whatever...you're the religious fanatic....absolute blind faith. disgusting.

my faith comes from being skeptical and questioning. being open to possibility...i have deduced that the official version is not possible. it is you that has a narrow mind...you won't even read something that comes from somewhere you don't "approve" of...at least i read your propaganda.

it's gonna kick you in the ass one day. that narrow mind. good and hard.

 

[alphaDelta]

When I wrote that, I neglected to remember the "oh the victims don't exist" contribution. That's up there with invisible missiles.

Think these things through eh? If your conspiracy provides no gain for, and requires considerably more effort from, its beneficiary, it's not a very good conspiracy is it?

 

[NuTbAr]

Sorry. Is all this irrelevant waffle supposed to prove that Lyz Glick and her husband didn't exist and that all the eyewitnesses of the Pentagon crash suffered mass hallucinations or something?

And as for the 'remote control' passenger plane fantasiess, please consult the bin.

Oh, and it's a bit of a convention round these parts to actually answer some of the points made in the post you're quoting instead of going off at a weird tangent.

if you read the articles you will see it's not a weird tangent...when discussing this issue...what it means as it could very well be that the glicks are real and were in the wrong place at the wrong time and killed just like a few thousand others. but just not how the great and mysterious "they" would have you believe.

when i read that stuff, i start asking questions...because it seems like too strange of a coincidence to be a coincidence dude. not when the cia visited usama in july 2001, military training exercises about a plane crash/ terrorist attack with usmama and 4 boeing planes on the briefing cover in june 2001..then wa-la september 11 2001... and oh it's usama...within hours of the crash..not enough time to investigate...hmmn, how coincidental...sheesh...meanwhile NORAD, military and intelligences agencies, air traffic controllers, are all on drills for terrorist attacks by cruise missiles or planes that day...and this had been going on for weeks prior. there are transcripts of air traffic controllers on the day of 9/11 asking if this is part of the drill.

so then...no response...good training that was, very effective...sure did make a difference didn't it.

 

[editor]

Depends how your missile is set up. It could be programmed to go off automatically when within a certain distance away from the WTC

http://www.jackblood.com/index/id31.html

There's a reputable authority if ever I saw one.

The Mystery of Mind control explained by JackBlood.com!

Give me one reason why anyone should believe a word of this character?

Jack Blood is currently writing a Four part series of chapbooks entitled THE MATRIX CHRONICLES VOLUMES 1 - 4, to chronicle the distortions of history, and control grid mechanisms by the globalists, detailing how he himself "unplugged" from this Matrix and broke the pattern of that control.

He sounds like he needs medical help if you need me.

 

[editor]

what it means as it could very well be that the glicks are real and were in the wrong place at the wrong time and killed just like a few thousand others.

Ah. So you're changing your story once again? Now the Glicks did exist?

What a fucking waste of time it is arguing with you.

 

[alphaDelta]

What's more of a coincidence, bin Laden in the military report? Or this, from June 2001?

 

[NuTbAr]

Ah. So you're changing your story once again? Now the Glicks did exist?

What a fucking waste of time it is arguing with you.

you know what..i never send they didn't exist...i played devil's advocate and was trying to point out that unless you actuallly speak to that person and verify their existence etc yourself...then you are operating on the same principle as myself. we just choose differently when it comes to what is credible in some respects and what we believe...apparently that just doesn't come across.

i'm not changing my story...i have said they could be real, i have said there are more possiblities of what could be real than the "official story"...they could be fake...you don't know concretely any more than i do...that is what i am saying.

the "official story" could be conspiracy just as much as the "conspiracy theories"...

 

[editor]

i'm not changing my story...i have said they could be real, i have said there are more possiblities of what could be real than the "official story"...they could be fake...you don't know concretely any more than i do...that is what i am saying.

So do you now acknowledge that the people who made the calls off the 9/11 flights do exist and that they were on the hijacked planes , YES/NO?

(If the answer is 'NO', be sure to back it up with some credible evidence that proves that Jeremy Glick, his wife and their baby don't actually 'exist' because I'm fed up posting up solid information about them, their families and their well documented careers and sports activities).

 

[editor]

Depends how your missile is set up. It could be programmed to go off automatically when within a certain distance away from the WTC

http://www.jackblood.com/index/id31.html

I took another look at that website. It claims that "Webmaster Mario Andrade" a "Gulf War veteran an (sic) explosive ordinance specialist" noticed "remarkable similarities between the ‘pod’ and a military-type general purpose (GP) bomb, such as the commonly used Mark 84 (MK-84)."

The funny thing is that when I did a web search for Mario Andrade, I could only find this bonkers UFO-tastic pile of shite on a UFO site claiming that the "Former Chilean Naval Chief Says UFOs Are Real".

Apparently a "Mario Andrade" translated this bollocks. Seeing as NuTbAr is quick to question whether people actually exist or not, perhaps he might be so kind as to post up some proof of the existence of this character?

 

[NuTbAr]

So do you now acknowledge that the people who made the calls off the 9/11 flights do exist and that they were on the hijacked planes , YES/NO?

(If the answer is 'NO', be sure to back it up with some credible evidence that proves that Jeremy Glick, his wife and their baby don't actually 'exist' because I'm fed up posting up solid information about them, their families and their well documented careers and sports activities).

i acknowledge that there are articles in the media that say they do. i acknowledge that there articles in the media that say many things about 9/11 being a manipulated government hoax. and could imply that anything could be fake about 9/11.

my answer is neither yes or no as to whether or not the glicks are real. i didn't investigate them or speak to her, meet her or check her social security numbers and get her vitals as well as his. didn't check the call logs either. so i don't know if they are real or not. i don't know what the truth is.

i mean really, some of the alledged hi-jackers on the fbi list are alive and well. but they flew planes into buildings and into the ground - vaporized. the names of the hi-jackers aren't on any airline flight records yet the fbi had a list within hours of the event. experts in cell technology have gone on record to say that these calls couldn't have happened the way we are told they did.

i'm taking the "official story" with a pound of salt on this one...not a grain.

i don't know the truth and neither do you dear editor.

what's so solid about a link to website or an image of some blond woman holding a baby? or a tanned smiling man's face. or more links. again just cyberspace same as my links and solid evidence. it's the same shit just a different pile.

 

[Wess]

steel girders are used in every concrete tower - you're the idiot...figure it out...maybe go have a look at one being built.

No they are not...I worked on at least a dozen highrise towers as a rigger, Dogman/Cranechaser and a scaffolder....Not all High Rise buildings use steel girders in their construction.....you really should do a bit of research before you start spouting bullshit and accusing others of being in the fog...

 

[editor]

what's so solid about a link to website or an image of some blond woman holding a baby? or a tanned smiling man's face. or more links.

It provides ample leads for "truth seekers" to go off and research and verify the story.

But - as DrJ amply illustrated in his ridiculous "Flights AA11 and AA77 on Sep.11 2001 did not exist!" thread - people like you will never, ever get off your arse and actually do any research of your own.

Instead you gleefully scoop up the laughably ill-researched conspiracy bollocks posted up on dubious sites written by woefully unqualified authors.

If you really want to find out the truth, why not ring up Lyz Glick's university and check if she works there? Or research the easily traceable sports background of Jeremy Glick and find someone who knew him?

But you won't do that, will you? After all, it's far easier to constantly regurgitate the moronic drivel written by paranoid chem-trail obsessed idiots on ludicrous homepages...

 

[editor]

No they are not...I worked on at least a dozen highrise towers as a rigger, Dogman/Cranechaser and a scaffolder....Not all High Rise buildings use steel girders in their construction.....:

I don't want to get involved in this spat, but I've never heard of any conventional high rise buildings being constructed without steel girders. Could you give some examples please because I'm baffled as to how they would be built.

 

[cynical_bastard]

Depends how your missile is set up. It could be programmed to go off automatically when within a certain distance away from the WTC

He makes several suggestions.
a)It's an AMRAAM. The AMRAAM, along with all other air to air missiles uses a fragmentary warhead. It's designed to kill aircraft, not skyscrapers built of reinforced concrete

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-120.htm

b)It's an unguided bomb. Bombs have no motive power, and as such would hit the WTC after the aircraft did, and at a lower level. Additionally, the "pod" lacks the tailfins of a bomb.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/mk84.htm

c)It's an unguided bomb spitting fire. No such bombs exist, as bombs are too inaccurate to rely on a HEAT warhead. Additionally, the same problems with drag remain, ie the bomb would be spitting fire at a level lower than the plane.

 

[NuTbAr]

It provides ample leads for "truth seekers" to go off and research and verify the story.

But - as DrJ amply illustrated in his ridiculous "Flights AA11 and AA77 on Sep.11 2001 did not exist!" thread - people like you will never, ever get off your arse and actually do any research of your own.

Instead you gleefully scoop up the laughably ill-researched conspiracy bollocks posted up on dubious sites written by woefully unqualified authors.

If you really want to find out the truth, why not ring up Lyz Glick's university and check if she works there? Or research the easily traceable sports background of Jeremy Glick and find someone who knew him?

But you won't do that, will you? After all, it's far easier to constantly regurgitate the moronic drivel written by paranoid chem-trail obsessed idiots on ludicrous homepages...

brotha that's what i've been saying to you all along...do the work, you don't know what i do and where i research, you don't know fuck all about me. you don't do any research or ring her up, your sitting on your ass more than me..since you're harassing posters all the time...you rarely put any evidence in your one sided rants. and don't bother to check any further...so it's the pot calling the kettle black...why so hostile? the crap you espouse is just as moronic and infantile in my eyes. you are so childish. grow up, wake up an smell the coffee...the world ain't spinning around your axis...your beliefs are no better than anyone else's.

take your assine opinion and your slagging and shove it up your fat fucking hairy editor's asshole. enough of the niceties. fuck ya! have a nice day.

 

[Lock&Light]

brotha that's what i've been saying to you all along...do the work, you don't know what i do and where i research, you don't know fuck all about me. you don't do any research or ring her up, your sitting on your ass more than me..since you're harassing posters all the time...you rarely put any evidence in your one sided rants. and don't bother to check any further...so it's the pot calling the kettle black...why so hostile? the crap you espouse is just as moronic and infantile in my eyes. you are so childish. grow up, wake up an smell the coffee...the world ain't spinning around your axis...your beliefs are no better than anyone else's.

take your assine opinion and your slagging and shove it up your fat fucking hairy editor's asshole. enough of the niceties. fuck ya! have a nice day.

What a truly disgusting post and poster.

 

[editor]

take your assine opinion and your slagging and shove it up your fat fucking hairy editor's asshole. enough of the niceties.

That's it. I've had enough of this idiot.

Rambling, abusive, debate-avoiding oaf banned.

 

[editor]

He makes several suggestions.
a)It's an AMRAAM. The AMRAAM, along with all other air to air missiles uses a fragmentary warhead. It's designed to kill aircraft, not skyscrapers built of reinforced concrete

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-120.htm

b)It's an unguided bomb. Bombs have no motive power, and as such would hit the WTC after the aircraft did, and at a lower level. Additionally, the "pod" lacks the tailfins of a bomb.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/mk84.htm

c)It's an unguided bomb spitting fire. No such bombs exist, as bombs are too inaccurate to rely on a HEAT warhead. Additionally, the same problems with drag remain, ie the bomb would be spitting fire at a level lower than the plane.

Nice post.

So that's yet another of DrJ's ridiculous conspiraloon theories blasted out of the sky.

 

[WouldBe]

I don't want to get involved in this spat, but I've never heard of any conventional high rise buildings being constructed without steel girders. Could you give some examples please because I'm baffled as to how they would be built.

I watched that program on the demolition of the Orchard park flats in Hull. Can't remember how tall they were but were over 10 stories high.

These were built with simple steel reinforced concrete. The steel being 1/4" ish rods. No girders were involved.

 

[Crispy]

Yep, you can go pretty high with reinforced concrete.

I couldn't find the source of the quote we're discussing here, but if it's re: the WTC buildings, they most definitely were built with steel. A concrete core, steel floors and a steel outer wall grid. Besides, you can't go that high with reinforced concrete - it's too heavy.

 

[Jazzz]

He makes several suggestions.
a)It's an AMRAAM. The AMRAAM, along with all other air to air missiles uses a fragmentary warhead. It's designed to kill aircraft, not skyscrapers built of reinforced concrete

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-120.htm

b)It's an unguided bomb. Bombs have no motive power, and as such would hit the WTC after the aircraft did, and at a lower level. Additionally, the "pod" lacks the tailfins of a bomb.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/mk84.htm

c)It's an unguided bomb spitting fire. No such bombs exist, as bombs are too inaccurate to rely on a HEAT warhead. Additionally, the same problems with drag remain, ie the bomb would be spitting fire at a level lower than the plane.

It's speculation as to what the missile could have been.

But I'm certainly not going to doubt for a millisecond that the $multi-trillion US military could have a missile-type device that could be fired from an aircraft at very short range to enter a building and then detonate, and I'm sure you really don't either.

 

[editor]

But I'm certainly not going to doubt for a millisecond that the $multi-trillion US military could have a missile-type device that could be fired from an aircraft at very short range to enter a building and then detonate, and I'm sure you really don't either.

So have they actually used this amazing missile-firing-missile (that looks like a 757) anywhere else, or was it a one-off '9/11 special', designed, built, tested, developed and flown by Americans who have no problem with their work being used to slaughter thousands of their fellow citizens?

 

[brixtonvilla]

"I'm certainly not going to doubt for a millisecond that the $multi-trillion US military could have a missile-type device that could be fired from an aircraft at very short range to enter a building and then detonate, and I'm sure you really don't either."

Yes, but you're avoiding the more basic question; WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY? THEY'RE FLYING A PLANE INTO A FUCKING SKYSCRAPER! WON'T THAT DO ENOUGH DAMAGE?

Sorry to shout, but nothing else is getting through...

 

[Jazzz]

"I'm certainly not going to doubt for a millisecond that the $multi-trillion US military could have a missile-type device that could be fired from an aircraft at very short range to enter a building and then detonate, and I'm sure you really don't either."

Yes, but you're avoiding the more basic question; WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY? THEY'RE FLYING A PLANE INTO A FUCKING SKYSCRAPER! WON'T THAT DO ENOUGH DAMAGE?

Sorry to shout, but nothing else is getting through...

No it wouldn't!!!!

The WTC was designed to take a full-on strike from a jumbo. Following fires years earlier, the sprinkler system was updated. You would have no reason to think that the plane strike would lead to any significant fire whatsoever. And without fire, you would have no excuse for the subsequent demolition of the towers.

Indeed, even with the fires, no steel-framed building had ever collapsed through fire before - and some of them had had real infernos (unlike the South Tower, where the fire was basically out).

This is why I said years ago that the planes fired missiles before entry - before I had seen the slowed down footage. It's the only way to do it.

 

[brixtonvilla]

As usual, you haven't answered the basic question; isn't flying an aircraft into a skyscraper enough of a terrorist act? Even Osama Bin fucking Laden said he didn't expect the towers to collapse. Here's an obviously faked, Lizard-and-smoking-man approved source:

"Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all we had hoped for."


http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/10/ar911.osama.exclusive/

Actually, don't bother responding, it'll only be more diversionary irrelevant bullshit. Debating with you is like waving a dinosaur fossil in front of Jehovah's witnesses, only less fun. And yes, I know this marks me out as one of the unthinking masses in your book, but frankly fuck your book. You're a delusional idiotand I'll wear your patronising scorn like a fucking badge. Goodbye.