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A thank you to Brexiteers.


Mr Johnson has boasted of the deals creating a “new dawn” and representing “global Britain at its best” – but just two of the dozens announced since the UK left the EU are expected to have any measurable economic impact at all

More lies from #ToryScum Disgraced Prime Minister de Pfeffel Johnson :mad:

Brexit has been a lie from the start. Sadly Brexit is being clinged onto by the leave voters as a victory and is the only thing keeping him in power.
 
More lies from #ToryScum Disgraced Prime Minister de Pfeffel Johnson :mad:

Brexit has been a lie from the start. Sadly Brexit is being clinged onto by the leave voters as a victory and is the only thing keeping him in power.
TBF, Brexiteers can't really do much other than see the whole thing as an unmitigated win. To consider it otherwise would be to introduce some cracks in the circular argument that it was a Thoroughly Good Thing, and that would inevitably result in the whole mental edifice collapsing.

I'd like to think that the Remain argument is somewhat more nuanced - most people I talk to about the EU definitely don't think it's wonderful or perfect, but feel that a better approach would have been to continue to work from within the EU to improve it. Whether they're right or not, there is at least scope for movement, rather than the utterly fixed picture that the pro-Brexit constituency generally tends to present.
 
TBF, Brexiteers can't really do much other than see the whole thing as an unmitigated win. To consider it otherwise would be to introduce some cracks in the circular argument that it was a Thoroughly Good Thing, and that would inevitably result in the whole mental edifice collapsing.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE UNDER CORBYN

Is one I hear a lot 🙄 despite them not having any sensible reasons why.
 
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE UNDER CORBYN

Is one I hear a lot 🙄 despite them not having any sensible reasons why.
Well, Corbyn couldn't stop Starmer et al voting down May's deal. And the subequent election Labour's policy was to negotiate a better deal and then campaign against it - which doesn't sound that sensible
 
everything would be worse under the lib dems. chocolate would taste like cigarette ash. tea would taste like pub slops. it'd be the 1950s but without any prospect of the 1960s. your skin would be grey and your hair a tepid beige.
Sounds quite relaxing, is that their new slogan?
 
It has previously been stated by a number of organisations that Cornwall would need to get at least £100m a year to match what it would have received if the UK had remained in the EU and Brexit had not happened.

The Government has said that Cornwall’s replacement funding will come from the new Shared Prosperity Fund (SPF) and while this is not due to start until 2022 a pilot scheme, the Community Renewal Fund, was announced to provide funding for 2021/22.

However, under this scheme local authority areas could only bid for a maximum of £3m and it was revealed last week that Cornwall will get just over £1m.


 
Laura K is being briefed that the Tories are almost certainly going to trigger Article 16

I'm told there have been discussions about starting the process, even early next week.
Don't panic, this does not seem to have yet been resolved.
Some in government are arguing for more explanation of the case to the public before drastic action is taken.
One insider described a "reasonableness test". Another said that the UK government wanted to build an "evidence base" to demonstrate why they felt the action had to be taken, before going public.
Some of the smart money is on the bust-up not coming until December, with one government source suggesting on Thursday: "We're going to see a bit more time pass before it happens."

Whatever the moment, unless something very unexpected happens, or the negotiators and politicians on both sides have personality transplants, it seems like Article 16 will be introduced before too long.
The likely impact of the move seems less certain than whether Boris Johnson and Lord Frost take the decision.
It hasn't happened before, so there is no real precedent.
And there are different schools of thought. First, it's important to understand that triggering Article 16 is starting a dispute process.
It's not one moment, but the start of many.

One source says some Brexiteer MPs "think you trigger it and everyone starts singing Rule Britannia - no one is asking themselves what happens after you trigger".
Theoretically, the process begins with a month of intense technical talks to try to resolve the dispute.
If that doesn't work, there would probably then be an emergency meeting of EU leaders, to take the decision up to prime ministers, not just the EU Commission.
There could be different forms of restrictions on trade, specific sanctions, or they could give notice that they would tear up the whole trade agreement, which Ireland warned might happen this week.
Without getting too technical, the trigger could end up with grumpy talks dragging on over many months with lots of politicking but not much changing practically.
Both sides could, in a genuine way, join together to try to work things out.
Or the trigger could, as one observer warned, boil over into a "full scale trade war that undermines the UK and the EU's post-Covid economic recovery".

The economic consequences of that could be profound for us all, if the argument really went that far.
And what would Number 10 do in the end, if the UK didn't get what it wanted?
If, as another source suggests, Boris Johnson "triggers the process, it finds against the UK….and ultimately the European Court says you must comply - he's snookered".
 
Here you go remoaniacs...a genuine benefit of brexshit...

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Previously, when the UK was part of the EU, under a mechanism known as Dublin the UK could ask other EU countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries before reaching the UK.

The UK could make “take charge” requests and officials were often able to prove that asylum seekers had passed through other countries thanks to the Eurodac fingerprint database. But since Brexit the UK no longer has access to that database, so it is harder to prove definitively which other European countries small boat arrivals to the UK have previously passed through.

The UK has not so far struck any bilateral agreements with other EU countries to enable it to replicate the Dublin arrangement. Instead officials have labelled many claims where they suspect people have passed through other European countries before reaching the UK as “inadmissible”.

In practice this means many asylum seekers are languishing in the system for extended periods but are not being sent to other countries.
 
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