A thank you to Brexiteers.

[krtek a houby]

I dont know much about any of it tbh but I'd be surprised if many mainland brits give a shit about northern Irelend staying British. Is that wrong, i mean are there people outside NI who care about maintaining 'the union'?

What is this "mainland", you speak of?

There's plenty of expats of a unionist leaning around the world. From conservative to full on fash. Believe some of them even got to vote leaving the EU.

 

[discokermit]

I don’t think I believe you. There were another ways out of ‘this conundrum’ for example the UK could have left the EU but stayed within the single market & customs union as many times the leave campaigners said we would and should
So even if NI leaving the UK was your personally preferred option, can you really say it you thought at the time in 2016 it was the only option?

I exaggerated for effect. i thought it was an option though and with a roll of the dice like brexit, you never know what might turn up.

 

[krtek a houby]

It would be difficult to put my indifference about what NI does into words - indeed I would actually prefer them to leave the UK, with what they do afterwards a matter of so little importance or interest to me that I have no actual opinion on it...

krtek a houby's real rage is that no one in GB gives a flea-sized shit about NI, and that the only people who block his beloved - but not enough to actually live there, obviously - dream of a UI are the people who do, in fact, live there.

People migrate for many reasons. Will quote these posters on the other thread this self linked to earlier, as they put it more precisely than this self could

Frankly GTFO.
People are not responsible for the actions of the government of the country they live in. The idea that people have some perfectly free choice to live wherever they wish is the same type of stupid 'personal responsibility' bullshit that is going to kill hundreds (or more) here in the UK over the next few months.

Don't know why it should need explaining that all countries have good and bad stuff. Having a go at someone for moving somewhere there are problems is a bit silly tbh.

People who move around have just as much right to have a say, as those that remain. Be it marching for Palestine, or against Myanmar coups, or any conflict/ongoing situation.

We go where we have to.

Some of us come home, some don't. But you might as well not comment or have opinions on anything outside of the UK, if you apply the logic that just because someone doesn't live in their homeland doesn't get a say anymore.

And there's many, many folks who give more than a flea-sized shit about the occupied 6 counties.

 

[MrSki]

 

[bimble]

There's plenty of expats of a unionist leaning around the world. From conservative to full on fash. Believe some of them even got to vote leaving the EU.

ok, I think you are talking about expats meaning people who used to live in or trace their roots back to NI, so does that mean you agree that your average english person (however imperialist they may be) doesn't give a shit either way about NI being British or not?

 

[krtek a houby]

ok, I think you are talking about expats meaning people who used to live in or trace their roots back to NI, so does that mean you agree that your average english person (however imperialist they may be) doesn't give a shit either way about NI being British or not?

You have unionists in this "mainland" place you speak of. Not just the occupied 6 counties. Have met plenty of Tories over the years, in and out of the UK who are quite enthusiastic about hanging on to NI. And of course, there's the loyalists.

There are even ties with the American right and nativists who are all for it, as well.

It's important, imho, that the "average" citizen in the UK does give a shit. With a bit more understanding and context, they might appreciate why the union must be broken and the evils of partition consigned to the dustbin.

 

[Yossarian]

While opinions differ on NI remaining part of the UK, I think almost everybody finds the weird fuckers with the bowler hats and bonfires more foreign than the Dutch, Danish, Germans etc.

 

[krtek a houby]

While opinions differ on NI remaining part of the UK, I think almost everybody finds the weird fuckers with the bowler hats and bonfires more foreign than the Dutch, Danish, Germans etc.

Quirky but they'll be welcomed with open arms into the all-inclusive socialist 32 county Republic

 

[Badgers]

Shit lying paper quoting shit lying man shocker.

People still voted leave

 

[bimble]

I am very ignorant about all of it but looks like whilst its true that most british people would not care if NI buggered off out of the union remoaners more likely to favour a UI.
'Those who voted for Britain to Remain in the EU in the 2016 referendum are more likely (23%) to want Northern Ireland to leave the Union and join the Republic than are those who voted Leave (15%).'

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/one-three-britons-would-mind-if-northern-ireland-voted-leave-uk-poll-finds

 

[Spymaster]

It's important, imho, that the "average" citizen in the UK does give a shit. With a bit more understanding and context, they might appreciate why the union must be broken and the evils of partition consigned to the dustbin.

You’re out of luck then because they don’t. Bimble’s right. The only non-Irish-connected Brits with much of an opinion are the hard right and the hard left. Give everyone else the option on a ballot sheet and “don’t care” would win by a landslide.

 

[bimble]

Bimble’s right.

for posterity.

 

[philosophical]

A United Ireland and an Independent Scotland needs to happen to get away from the vile (mainly English). However nationalism is a totally shit idea and notion, and yet here am I using descriptors based on nations. My reason is because the perma power English based ruling class is so vile and nasty, racist and rank, that nobody could blame Scotland and Ireland as a whole for wanting to get out from under.
Patriotism is also a shit dangerous concept, a concept ridden by all the ruling bastards in each ‘nation’ on these islands.
It would be OK to fight and die resisting oppression, but in my view to do such a thing ‘for your country’ simply plays into the hands of the powerful who would want to use you for their own ends. No need to romanticise Ireland and Scotland, any more than England and Wales, there are cunts everywhere, at least the EU tended to dilute nationalism.

 

[Pickman's model]

for posterity.

Let's hope he has cause to post that again

 

[Spymaster]

A United Ireland and an Independent Scotland needs to happen to get away from the vile (mainly English). However nationalism is a totally shit idea and notion, and yet here am I using descriptors based on nations. My reason is because the perma power English based ruling class is so vile and nasty, racist and rank, that nobody could blame Scotland and Ireland as a whole for wanting to get out from under.
Patriotism is also a shit dangerous concept, a concept ridden by all the ruling bastards in each ‘nation’ on these islands.
It would be OK to fight and die resisting oppression, but in my view to do such a thing ‘for your country’ simply plays into the hands of the powerful who would want to use you for their own ends. No need to romanticise Ireland and Scotland, any more than England and Wales, there are cunts everywhere, at least the EU tended to dilute nationalism.

Oh fuck off, you boring cunt.

 

[Spymaster]

for posterity.

If you post enough, sooner or later it happens by accident!

 

[Spymaster]

.

 

[philosophical]

Oh fuck off, you boring cunt.

Hahahahaha.
Surely you could be a bit more creative and original in your abuse?
Your effort is boring and predictable.
Maybe you call yourself English.

 

[Spymaster]

Maybe you call yourself English.

You think only English people think you're a knob?

 

[TopCat]

Hahahahaha.
Surely you could be a bit more creative and original in your abuse?
Your effort is boring and predictable.
Maybe you call yourself English.

Don’t you live in Catford, surrounded by the vile English? Yeah you are that bloke who shouts to himself in the shopping centre.

 

[philosophical]

Don’t you live in Catford, surrounded by the vile English? Yeah you are that bloke who shouts to himself in the shopping centre.

Not quite Catford.
An accident of birth is an accident of birth, not something you wave around to demonstrate exceptionalism.
Those people in my local community are diverse, and not assessed according to nationality.
Luckily the majority of people in this diverse community did not vote Brexit like your fellow travellers Priti Patel, Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg, Stephen Yakitty Lookatme and the rest.
Abuse me all you want, I can live with it, to be the subject of abuse from Brexit supporters is a comfort that I must be thinking along the right lines, carry on.

 

[philosophical]

You think only English people think you're a knob?

Ah, you speak for all your imaginary hordes that have your back do you?

 

[Spymaster]

Lol.

 

[The39thStep]

If you post enough, sooner or later it happens by accident!

 

[two sheds]

Lol.

Numerous PMs of support coming in.

 

[Spymaster]

Not quite Catford.
An accident of birth is an accident of birth, not something you wave around to demonstrate exceptionalism.
Those people in my local community are diverse, and not assessed according to nationality.
Luckily the majority of people in this diverse community did not vote Brexit like your fellow travellers Priti Patel, Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg, Stephen Yakitty Lookatme and the rest.
Abuse me all you want, I can live with it, to be the subject of abuse from Brexit supporters is a comfort that I must be thinking along the right lines, carry on.

Tldr.

See post 7095.

 

[bimble]

the reason nobody likes philosophical is because they're the only person who has been totally correct about brexit the whole time.

 

[xenon]

I see this thread is still quite "special" then.

 

[kebabking]

the reason nobody likes philosophical is because they're the only person who has been totally correct about brexit the whole time.

Amusingly, it's attitudes like that - that support the arch twat philosophical - that caused brexit.

The English are vile, the English are stupid, the English should manage their affairs for the benefit of others - your stunning lack of self-awareness is a spectacle in itself...

 

[bimble]

I see this thread is still quite "special" then.

i'm surprised its so niche and not more popular, its the argument clinic, a simmering pointless fight available on demand any time you feel like it.