a near future bleak landscape for the world...?

[Yuwipi Woman]

Yeah but YW, forgive me for this, but i feel it is a mistake for any reasonable person to follow this line of logic. Of course you wouldn't use them, and the consequences wouldn't be worth it, but you are not a president, you are not a member of a cabal that wants power and wealth and empire.

You and I wouldn't use them because we are moral people. We figure the "cost" in moral terms. The PTB (the powers that be) wouldn't use them because it would cost too much financially. The moral cost doesn't enter into it, except as the cost of bad press. The PTB want Irans oil wells intact. It wouldn't be profitable to destroy that infrastructure. The PTB figure that those oil wells are theirs because they built them before they were nationalized.

Was the death and destruction that has been wrought in iraq worth the consequences??

No. Not even to the PTB, but they make calculated decisions. They thought it would be profitable, but miscalculated. They had a bunch of pet theories that didn't work in the real world.

Do bush cheney rumsfeld perle and the rest of them allow reason and sanity to prevail in their thinking?

Was such thinking behind the bombs they used in japan?

Yes. They arn't crazy. They are amoral.

 

[Giles]

Yeah but YW, forgive me for this, but i feel it is a mistake for any reasonable person to follow this line of logic. Of course you wouldn't use them, and the consequences wouldn't be worth it, but you are not a president, you are not a member of a cabal that wants power and wealth and empire.

Was the death and destruction that has been wrought in iraq worth the consequences?

Do bush cheney rumsfeld perle and the rest of them allow reason and sanity to prevail in their thinking?

Was such thinking behind the bombs they used in japan?

The decision to use the A bomb on Japan was pretty rational. The Americans took 50,000 casualties during the invasion of Okinawa, the Japanese 90,000, and the Allies were estimating that an invasion of the Japanese home islands could have involved a million.

There WAS an element of "revenge" involved against the Japanese for their actions during the WW2, and also a desire to show the Russians what they had, and what it could do.

The decision to use the A bomb was not by any means insane.

Giles..

 

[fela fan]

Okay, on the balance then i revert to my original instinct before this thread that they won't be using nuclear bombs on iran.

Good!

 

[EddyBlack]

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[EddyBlack]

More details from an interview with Seymour Hersh.

http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/5551

 

[fela fan]

More details from an interview with Seymour Hersh.

http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/5551

Which sends me back to the negative instinct!

This man is a journo that cannot be dissed.

The americans have done all of this so many times before.

But i hold out hope that the iranian leadership are somewhat more intelligent than their yank counterparts, and will keep things under control.