a near future bleak landscape for the world...?

[fela fan]

There is a body of thinking in what i would say are pretty sane political websites that envisage a rather awful scenario in the upcoming months, ie before the next US election.

Iran will be bombed with nuclear weapons.

A state of emergency will be declared by the bush government in their war against terrorism.

No election will take place, since the US will be under a war-footing, allowing such powers to be put in place by the presidency.

The bombs dropped will of course kill millions of citizens in iran, and the radiation that is carried by the wind will affect millions of others in neighbouring countries, as far as the wind will blow.

I have stopped reading anything really to do with politics for a fair few months. But i do recall reading about this last year. My colleague at work is very pessimistic about this all happening, since he never did stop reading the stuff.

How likely do posters think this is?

Incidentally two of the websites are global research and commondreams.

Both are american.

Those neocons are certainly crazy enough to do such stuff, but are there enough checks and balances still available to call upon to avoid this scenerio?

Or is it just scaremongering, and if so, why?

 

[magneze]

 

[The Groke]

what i would say are pretty sane political websites ?

Would anyone else say this?




Got linx?

 

[butchersapron]

Not all likely at all. Pure political paranoia running rampant.

 

[Malamud]

Or is it just scaremongering, and if so, why?

Scaremongering doesn't require a reason.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Thanks Fela, I'd forgotten why I've always thought of you as a tin-foil hatter. Thanks for the reminder.

I'll tell you what, if George W does all that, I'll go and put a bullet in his brain myself.

 

[Belushi]

Thanks Fela, I'd forgotten why I've always thought of you as a tin-foil hatter. Thanks for the reminder.

I'll tell you what, if George W does all that, I'll go and put a bullet in his brain myself.

Reports post to Langley.

 

[elbows]

There are some people who cannot believe Bush will relinquish power, and have been scaremongering for years taht 2008 election will not happen.

I find this extremely unlikely, as it would destroy all credibility of the American dream. The rhetorical power of 'democracy' is far too important.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What Lame Duck Georgie is going to do with his remaining time is to try to fix history's perception of him as a warmonger. (Good luck on that George).

Recently they announced a deal with North Korea and dropped many of the sanctions against them. I'd look for similar things in the future.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Reports post to Langley.

If I disappear suddenly, I guess we'll know that the CIA's internet combing software is working.

 

[xes]

you'll be needing one of them to deflect the radiation

 

[fela fan]

Not all likely at all. Pure political paranoia running rampant.

That's obviously what i hope. But i do think these websites are not the paranoid sort. But then i hope they are.

But i wonder at their agenda if they are scaremongering... What could their reasons be for consistently coming up with this refrain if it couldn't be likely? They don't make money for start.

Whereas normal mainstream media are mostly run according to their advertisers' remit in life.

All confusing really.

 

[butchersapron]

What Lame Duck Georgie is going to do with his remaining time is to try to fix history's perception of him as a warmonger. (Good luck on that George).

Recently they announced a deal with North Korea and dropped many of the sanctions against them. I'd look for similar things in the future.

I was just going to mention this. Doesn't look like the end of the world to me.

 

[butchersapron]

That's obviously what i hope. But i do think these websites are not the paranoid sort. But then i hope they are.

But i wonder at their agenda if they are scaremongering... What could their reasons be for consistently coming up with this refrain if it couldn't be likely? They don't make money for start.

Whereas normal mainstream media are mostly run according to their advertisers' remit in life.

All confusing really.

If they post this rubbish in all seriousness then they are paranoid. And that paranoia is the answer to question as to what their reasons are for posting it.

 

[fela fan]

Thanks Fela, I'd forgotten why I've always thought of you as a tin-foil hatter. Thanks for the reminder.

I'll tell you what, if George W does all that, I'll go and put a bullet in his brain myself.

Well, that might be what you think of me YW, but what i posted in the OP is not my thinking. I actually don't think this will be the case, but i do respect my colleague and the websites i mentioned. It causes doubt in my mind. It's the main reason why i thought i'd post this thread up.

But i find it hard to digest that such things will happen, even though i know bush is a complete nutter, and many neocons are on their 'fundamentalist' agenda.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I was just going to mention this. Doesn't look like the end of the world to me.

The thing is, it always looks like the end of the world. I'm old enough to have seen a lot of the problems we have now before. Somehow the world keeps on going.

 

[fela fan]

If they post this rubbish in all seriousness then they are paranoid. And that paranoia is the answer to question as to what their reasons are for posting it.

Well, that seems fair enough. I'll return to my more normal positive, optimistic mode then.

But a doubt will always retain a wee corner in my mind. After all, this is the nation that has used such bombs before, and we know about their prediliction for preemptive strikes at nations.

 

[fela fan]

The thing is, it always looks like the end of the world. I'm old enough to have seen a lot of the problems we have now before. Somehow the world keeps on going.

But your age is no insurance against new things happening.

I'm also of the same age. And yes, the world keeps on going, and that's how i see it in the near future.

But my OP did not talk about the end of the world. It talked about the US dropping nuclear bombs on iran. There's a definitive difference.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

But your age is no insurance against new things happening.

I'm also of the same age. And yes, the world keeps on going, and that's how i see it in the near future.

But my OP did not talk about the end of the world. It talked about the US dropping nuclear bombs on iran. There's a definitive difference.

No age doesn't protect you from the world. But, they won't nuke Iran for several reasons. It would really piss off the neighbors and start a world war for one. For another it would get soot on all those nice oil wells. The cleaning bills would be outrageous.

 

[frogwoman]

hmm, global research and common dreams aren't paranoid websites. I look at them a lot myself and have actually used them in essays However they are the sum of their contributors and i don't agree with everything that every person writes on there ...

and yep i think george bush will definitely go in 2008, he is hated even by the american elite. if he tried to stay on past his term then there would be civil war tbh.

iran being attacked with nuclear weapons? not bloody likely (at least not yet)

 

[fela fan]

No age doesn't protect you from the world. But, they won't nuke Iran for several reasons. It would really piss off the neighbors and start a world war for one. For another it would get soot on all those nice oil wells. The cleaning bills would be outrageous.

But pissing off the neighbours doesn't seem a huge deal to the cabal running the US these days...

And more than a few of the republicans have talked of a third world war. And of 'nuking' iran.

After two comes three...

Logic is not something that can be attributed to the neocons.

I still don't think the scenario will pan out, but they're such bloody lunatics i could discount nothing.

 

[Crispy]

no western country can possibly use nukes in anger. it would bring instant rejection from all the others. only a genuine madman would do such a thing. GWB is not a madman. he's a cunt, but even he knows that aggressive nukes are the stupidest possible thing. this is paranoid doom-worship at it best, I'm afraid.

 

[fela fan]

hmm, global research and common dreams aren't paranoid websites. I look at them a lot myself and have actually used them in essays However they are the sum of their contributors and i don't agree with everything that every person writes on there ...

and yep i think george bush will definitely go in 2008, he is hated even by the american elite. if he tried to stay on past his term then there would be civil war tbh.

iran being attacked with nuclear weapons? not bloody likely (at least not yet)

If not now, when?!

That is partly the reason for my thread. I know they're both good sites.

And it ought to be remembered that all this stuff in iraq and afghanistan is the outcome of perhaps just a dozen minds in the US. It doesn't take much to get such evil things happening over there. They have the most complete set of apparatus available in history to support their empire building.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

But pissing off the neighbours doesn't seem a huge deal to the cabal running the US these days...

They've gone out of their way to not piss off China. And while the US has been beating their military to scrap metal, China has been tooling up. Bush isn't that crazy, he's just in the back pocket of the MIC. Everything he has done has benefitted them. He knows who his masters are.

 

[fela fan]

no western country can possibly use nukes in anger. it would bring instant rejection from all the others. only a genuine madman would do such a thing. GWB is not a madman. he's a cunt, but even he knows that aggressive nukes are the stupidest possible thing. this is paranoid doom-worship at it best, I'm afraid.

I'd love to think you're right. But that does not accurately describe sites like commondreams.

Bush, i think, is genuinely insane. He is of course just a puppet for others. But being insane, he is liable to do anything outside the realms of the logical.

And don't forget that bush worships being stupid. He's said this before, and any number of quotes of his definitively confirm how totally stupid the man is.

Stupidity and insanity are a bad mix i think.

 

[fela fan]

They've gone out of their way to not piss off China. And while the US has been beating their military to scrap metal, China has been tooling up. Bush isn't that crazy, he's just in the back pocket of the MIC. Everything he has done has benefitted them. He knows who is masters are.

What's the MIC?

Economy plays a big part in reigning in the actions of politicians. China has a big say in possibly messing up the US economy, at least i thought this was the case. Hence the reticence?

And anyway, how could they attack a nation with so many people?

 

[Crispy]

MIC = Military Industrial Complex
See: Why We Fight

 

[butchersapron]

Stupidity and insanity are a bad mix i think.

Seems to work allright for the conspiraloons.

 

[fela fan]

Seems to work allright for the conspiraloons.

Which is merely a non-word. But in any case, this thread is not about them. The websites i named collate their articles from mainstream media.

Whereas politicians is a word, and it definitely applies to lots of the US variety, along with many others in other countries, including the blair man.

 

[Crispy]

Could you post some links to these stories?