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2004 F1 Championship

Who will take the drivers/constructors crown

  • Michael Schumacher

    Votes: 23 62.2%

  • Someone else who thinks they are good

    Votes: 8 21.6%

  • Ferrari

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • Some other sub-standard car manufacturer

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Total voters
    37
the B said:
47ft wide?! Y

The outside of the tunnel area can be scrubbed effectively because it is loaded with rubber marbles/dust/other crap. This is a fairly significant part of the tunnel. Ultimately, there is one optimum line through there and two cars can't be on it at once.
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ahh so you belive in the racing line now then! good good.

dave
 
ohh and abramivich was just in monoco to sign some kid that i've forgotten the name of from monocco. and possibly dechamps and all.


dave
 
Or maybe he heard about the diamond and fancied a little bit more cash?!

Doubt he'd launch and F1 team though, at least not without significant support from either an engine manufactuer (and who wants a Ford engine) or a motorsport team which would involve buying said team, ie Arden, first.

Unless he can use his wealth to land a engine deal with someone big but even then I doubt Renault or Merc would want to supply a competitor team.
 
Ferrari have a reasonable customer engine.

Any chance of rain for this grand prix? :confused: Haven't seen any weather reports/can't find any.
 
True B, but they have a deal with Sauber which is mutually beneficial thanks to Bridgestone.

I can't see anyone wanting a Ford engine right now, because no matter how great a chassis they proudce they thing is a dog of a unit. Maybe Honda would think about helping out seeing as their BAR deal isn't finalised or they could go it alone using somone like Arden to develop the chassis and aero package.

There were rumours Nissan might give it a stab, as they're part-owned by Renault and re-badge the R engine for that purpose. They've been successful in most other forms of sport and are looking to build their brand.

I think Max is being overly optimistic - if I was thinking of entering F1 i'd hold fire until all the new rules are decided re one tyre company, brakes, gearboxes etc - no point wasting effort on something that could only be used for 1, maybe 2 seasons.

Come rain or shine only a crash will stop MS winning this weekend - he's the master of that track. The fight will be for the other podium places.
 
g force said:
Come rain or shine only a crash will stop MS winning this weekend - he's the master of that track. The fight will be for the other podium places.
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he fucking should be along with hockenhiem he helped to redesign it :D
 
It's not like he redesigned it single handed - around the Nurburgring, he's heavily involved with the redesign of one 'Kurve'.

Free Practice times coming soon...
 
Fuck me Ant's only gone and broken the lap record!!!! :eek: Give him the BAR for next season.

I know it's only 1st free, but he manged second quickest in Monaco in the first time he'd ever been to the ciircuit and now this. AnYeah and i know he has a different engine blah, blah. Fact is he's beaten what is easily the best F1 car, and the best driver in his first time round the circuit in an F1 car. The kid has talent.

Plenty of rumours on the F1 sites about Webber replacing Trulli at Renault :(
 
davidson over sato???? wont happen beacuse of honda i reckon they were keen on getting a jap driver into there car.

he will definately have a drive next year though. toyota or jaguar would be my bet.


shumacher will win next GP unless he crashes.


dave
 
I know but thing is he'll do nothing in the Jag because that team is utter cack with no direction, bollocks engione and terrible handling. Toyota might be a better bet with Mike getting to design a car from scratch and with Ralf as a team mate.

Can't help but think Frank W must be taking a serious look at him though - he's learning the tracks, can obviously set a car up and would be cheap! Him and Webber or Heidfeld would make a good pairing I reckon - two hard chargers is exactly what they need.

Good job Ant doesn't really bring any sponsor money otherwise he might end up at Jordan, where good drivers go to be detroyed.
 
thats a bit harsh on jorden, they are always brasic but they are a hard working team, honda insisted on sato driving for them dispite the fact he was worse than their (jordens) test driver consecutivley, and tbh there's no reason to have sato in anyteam period he's shit, the onl reason he came back this season is that he found further cash and bought his way back into the team...
 
I used to like Jordan back in the early days.

But then I think EJ started losing the plot - the way he sacked Frentzen was totally and utterly out of order, considering he coudl have won the WDC. Then there was the whole Vodafone court case. They used to be a terrific team but they've lost the plot on the engine side and their strength, the chassis, has been lost to teams like Renault.

If EJ spent more time working on his team that biching about everything in F1 i'd have more respect but TBH I think he's turnmed into a bit of a twat.

I admire the team becuase they're struggling but if they don't do something soon I can see them leaving F1 - look at Prost - 96 the won a GP and had a rpetty decent car, then terminal decline. Ditto Arrows - acknowledged as having possible the best chassis thanks to Bruner but had no hope with the engine.

I'd love them to get a decent engine but when the Ford contract is up what they gonna do?

Garf - I agree on Sato but like Dave said it's a Honda thing. However, unless he starts getting results away from Suzuka they may replace him - the car is good enough in JB's hands, so they'll want him to score some points regularly or I can see him being out. Hopefully replaced with Ant but if not Heidfeld, or maybe Fisi?
 
Fluke yeah, but the car was pretty good IIRC - may not have set F1 alight but it had the pace is comparison to Jordan today. Arrows were making slow progress up the field and then went out of business.

That was good news for Toyota, but really I can see Jordan going the same way - lacking in money, car is underdeveloped, one of the drivers is clearly not F1 standard, slipping further down the field. :(
 
Friday's free practice times:

1. Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) McLaren 1:29.355
2. Jenson Button (GB) BAR 1:29.618
3. Ralf Schumacher (Ger) Williams1:29.677
4. David Coulthard (GB) McLaren 1:29.700
5. Jarno Trulli (Ita) Renault 1:29.919
6. Rubens Barrichello (Brz) Ferrari 1:29.943
*7. Anthony Davidson (GB) BAR 1:30.028
8. Fernando Alonso (Spa) Renault 1:30.163
9. Michael Schumacher (Ger Ferrari 1:30.227
10. Takuma Sato (Jpn) BAR 1:30.283
11. Juan Pablo Montoya (Col) Williams 1:30.337
12. Mark Webber (Aus) Jaguar 1:30.466
13. Olivier Panis (Fra) Toyota 1:30.497
14. Cristiano Da Matta (Brz) Toyota 1:30.531
*15. Ricardo Zonta (Brz) Toyota 1:30.949
16. Giancarlo Fisichella (Ita) Sauber 1:30.974
*17. Bjorn Wirdheim (Swe) Jaguar 1:31.780
*18. Timo Glock (Ger) Jordan 1:32.080
19. Christian Klien (Aut) Jaguar 1:32.217
20. Felipe Massa (Brz) Sauber 1:32.310
21. Gianmaria Bruni (Ita) Minardi 1:32.643
22. Zsolt Baumgartner (Hun) Minardi 1:32.986
23. Nick Heidfeld (Ger) Jordan 1:33.175
24. Giorgio Pantano (Ita) Jordan 1:33.393
*25. Bas Leinders (Bel) Minardi 1:34.538

* 3rd Car

Good to see Kimi up there and Jenson too. Schumi only did 9 laps so his time isn't relevant and Fisi's engine went 'pop!' so he'll be at the back i'd think
 
g force said:
I used to like Jordan back in the early days.

But then I think EJ started losing the plot - the way he sacked Frentzen was totally and utterly out of order, considering he coudl have won the WDC. Then there was the whole Vodafone court case. They used to be a terrific team but they've lost the plot on the engine side and their strength, the chassis, has been lost to teams like Renault.

If EJ spent more time working on his team that biching about everything in F1 i'd have more respect but TBH I think he's turnmed into a bit of a twat.

I admire the team becuase they're struggling but if they don't do something soon I can see them leaving F1 - look at Prost - 96 the won a GP and had a rpetty decent car, then terminal decline. Ditto Arrows - acknowledged as having possible the best chassis thanks to Bruner but had no hope with the engine.

I'd love them to get a decent engine but when the Ford contract is up what they gonna do?

Garf - I agree on Sato but like Dave said it's a Honda thing. However, unless he starts getting results away from Suzuka they may replace him - the car is good enough in JB's hands, so they'll want him to score some points regularly or I can see him being out. Hopefully replaced with Ant but if not Heidfeld, or maybe Fisi?
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i dunno the vodafone thing was a risky business tbh i think that they won on a technicality, eddie is a man of his word.

Frenzen was a useless arse at jorden (he cost them a car a race much like sato tbh) he wasn't trying and eddie had been fucked when damon mucked him around and wasn't about to be fucked over again. besides the sponsors were applying pressure to get rid of frenzen in place of said sato too, so as a business decsion i can see why he did it. jordens opperating budget is around 9 to 10 million a race this means they are constanly scraping along, if you look at ferriaris budget a race they will spend that on tools for a race let alone over a weekend .... (some where around 110 million a race)

they need sponsorship, have always thought had mercesdes not fuck jorden and allowed them to keep schumacher for the 5 races he paid for that would have made jorden and put enough money into their cars...

i reckon this year they simply don't havethe cahs and they are certianly getting the number 2 engines from honda (which they have to pay for...) so they really are doing very well for a team which can truely be said to be the only true shoe string team left...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
i reckon this year they simply don't havethe cahs and they are certianly getting the number 2 engines from honda (which they have to pay for...) so they really are doing very well for a team which can truely be said to be the only true shoe string team left...
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Apart from Minardi that is?
 
Qualifying session 2 times: http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040529/23/43fr.html

M Schumacher, Sato, Trulli, Raikkonen, Button, Alonso, Barrichello, Montoya

Just two-thousands of a second between Trulli and Raikkonen and one-thousandth between Barrichello and Montoya.

New qualifying format may be introduced with two 20 minute sessions where cars are allowed to race for 'ultimate pace' in either the first or both sessions.
 
how come baricello is doing so badly qualifying this year?????

not been toom nay ferrai one/twos this year.



dave
 
Seems like Barrichello isn't that good in the F2004...being an average to good driver doesn't help...he's not that fast.
 
he bloody well is!(fast)

i think the ferrai might be a bit to smooth for him its always been said he perfers a twitchy car that he can chcuck about a bit.

reckon its his last year for ferrai(which i cant spell today!) when is his contract up?


dave
 
fair enough.

think hes gone very stale though. needs a new challenge and a team that actully like him rather then view him as a waterboy.


dave
 
Sato can be about as dangerous as Montoya and Ralf it seems...at least Massa just takes his own car out of the GP without risking anyone elses' race...

Meanwhile, Ferrari one-two :D

Two roasted Mercedes engines...Fisi had a good race...

Safety car rules will change - http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040530/23/441u.html

No pitting until all cars are formed up and lights off late in the lap...
 
yeah sato did a very silly thing indeed.


i thought he had made it stick to be fair though. shame.


not sure about the pit rules though, i mean what about schuduled stops????

if a car was due in on the next lap then they should surely be allowed in, maybe the should have to inform the race officials that they intend to make a pistop a lap before hand, or maybe if a car has less then 2laps of fuel remaining in the engine they should be allowed to pit under the safety car.

mclaren had better hope the new car is good.
 
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