17-year-old girl facing jail because of G20

[Cobbles]

The assumptions you make say a lot about you and very little about the capitalist system

a) The ultimate in capitalist development is a Porsche? (well millions live and dies in poverty)

I responded exactly to the examples given - Porsche & porage, how do you define "ultimate" - super rice? iPod? teflon?

b) The Soviet Union was/is the only alternative on offer to this system

What aternative model would you suggest - subsistence level barter?

How's that going to ease global poverty?

Unless a magic ray beams out of space and infuses every human with collaborative desire simultaneously, then even if the UK decided to adopt a huggy-touchy-feely-nobody-gets-a-wage economic model, then anyone who actually wanted to get paid would simply off-bugger to any other country they they felt like.

I suppose you would argue that the capitalist system creates the 'big thinkers' - shame you don't seem to be one of them. I suppose it makes you feel more secure that you can add the usual 'well, most folk are thick as pigshit in any case' (as though it is some form of inate human behaviour that would tend to legitimise your own cynical, selfish world view)

The Capitalist system generates the environment that allows consumer demand to be met, whether that's a gym shoe with a different logo, a smaller lighter MP3 device with better battery life or cheap rice.

"your own cynical, selfish world view" - see reference to magic ray above......

Nobody buys a Lottery ticket because they want to contribute to the common good - that's basic human nature.

 

[sunshine1]

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The Capitalist system generates the environment that allows consumer demand to be met, whether that's a gym shoe with a different logo, a smaller lighter MP3 device with better battery life or cheap rice.

"your own cynical, selfish world view" - see reference to magic ray above......

Nobody buys a Lottery ticket because they want to contribute to the common good - that's basic human nature.

The Capitalist system, from it's small beginnings, has come to dominate life in every corner of the world. But it has brought with it increasingly unacceptable costs. The crime industry, war preparation, bureaucracy, the sales effort, these and other activities of capitalism absorb the efforts of nine tenths of the working population and have been growing faster than productivity itself that's until the credit crunch, now your system generates more misery for the disadvantaged, women, children, the old, racial minorities and the increasingly growing army of unemployed suffer unnecessarily throughout the world!

 

[lights.out.london]

The Capitalist system, from it's small beginnings, has come to dominate life in every corner of the world. But it has brought with it increasingly unacceptable costs. The crime industry, war preparation, bureaucracy, the sales effort, these and other activities of capitalism absorb the efforts of nine tenths of the working population and have been growing faster than productivity itself that's until the credit crunch, now your system generates more misery for the disadvantaged, women, children, the old, racial minorities and the increasingly growing army of unemployed suffer unnecessarily throughout the world!

Unacceptable to whom? And what are these costs of which you type?

 

[Kaka Tim]

I guess shes young and angry and over excited.

Rational? Sensible? Constructive? I guess not but, IMHO we could do with more like her and then we may end up with a country where the ruling class are more reluctant to fuck the rest of us up the arse.

 

[Dozy]

They hanged Guy Fawkes and he didn't actually cause any damage.

 

[brasicritique]

I guess shes young and angry and over excited.

Rational? Sensible? Constructive? I guess not but, IMHO we could do with more like her and then we may end up with a country where the ruling class are more reluctant to fuck the rest of us up the arse.

I agree with this point imo its about directing the energy of people like her , or rather giving them a place to direct there energy instead of the current incoherent mish mash i feel i should warn you that the ed may see your post as inciting violence.

 

[sunshine1]

I guess shes young and angry and over excited.

Rational? Sensible? Constructive? I guess not but, IMHO we could do with more like her and then we may end up with a country where the ruling class are more reluctant to fuck the rest of us up the arse.

She is the standard bearer of residence, and as I have said or seggested we need to give her as much support as we can; and then think about mayday and how this time we take back the streets!

 

[Cobbles]

The Capitalist system, from it's small beginnings, has come to dominate life in every corner of the world.

So it works.

That's because it's based on the simple desire of every human being to generate an advantage for themself.

But it has brought with it increasingly unacceptable costs. The crime industry, war preparation, bureaucracy, the sales effort, these and other activities of capitalism absorb the efforts of nine tenths of the working population and have been growing faster than productivity itself that's until the credit crunch, now your system generates more misery for the disadvantaged, women, children, the old, racial minorities and the increasingly growing army of unemployed suffer unnecessarily throughout the world!

Unfortunately, there's no credible alternative.

Altruism only works if everyone is altruistic - they aren't.

If this was the case then the LibDems would be in power as people would flock to their "surely you wouldn't mind paying an extra penny in the pound to see others better off" concept.

Most people would rather see a 1% cut in taxation even if that meant completely doing without "Heads of Achievement and Inclusion", or heaven forbid, a "National Supporting People Value Improvement Programme"..........

 

[butchersapron]

I vomit on you cotch

 

[dennisr]

I vomit on you cotch

that'll only reinforce his 'argument' that we are 'all out for ourselves', its 'human nature innit'

 

[jæd]

She is the standard bearer of residence, and as I have said or seggested we need to give her as much support as we can; and then think about mayday and how this time we take back the streets!

I thought the protesters were duped into attacking the RBS branch by cops...?

 

[butchersapron]

that'll only reinforce his 'argument' that we are 'all out for ourselves', its 'human nature innit'

Weird how so many people hate their boss - almost like they're fighting nature.

 

[butchersapron]

I thought the protesters were duped into attacking the RBS branch by cops...?

Nice shiny colours Jade, look at them...all different...

 

[Cobbles]

She is the standard bearer of residence, and as I have said or seggested we need to give her as much support as we can; and then think about mayday and how this time we take back the streets!

Take back the streets from whom?

Marching Roman Legionnaires and their supply waggons?

Hansom Cabs and horse-drawn Beer Drays?

The Local Authority (in which case who gets to take on the burden of maintenance)?

 

[Cobbles]

Weird how so many people hate their boss - almost like they're fighting nature.

No, they're following their natural instincts - "I hate my boss 'cause I want to be the boss and get my hands on the Ministerial Jag/Chair with 17 forms of adjustment/best bits of the carcass"

 

[butchersapron]

You bolded something. How nice. I think they just hate you cotch. It's really not envy

 

[brasicritique]

So it works.

That's because it's based on the simple desire of every human being to generate an advantage for themself.".

Unfortunately, there's no credible alternative.".

true

Altruism only works if everyone is altruistic - they aren't."..

not around these boards anyway!

If this was the case then the LibDems would be in power as people would flock to their "surely you wouldn't mind paying an extra penny in the pound to see others better off" concept."..........

nope they voted that off there manifesto at ther last convention

Most people would rather see a 1% cut in taxation even if that meant completely doing without "Heads of Achievement and Inclusion", or heaven forbid, a "National Supporting People Value Improvement Programme"..........

well given the fact that such bodies are job creation schemes for fabians and ex spin doctors i dont really see whats wrong with that

 

[dennisr]

No, they're following their natural instincts - "I hate my boss 'cause I want to be the boss and get my hands on the Ministerial Jag/Chair with 17 forms of adjustment/best bits of the carcass"

Exactly, we are jealous - that's the situation for my old man - its not that he's about to lose his home after working his entire life, nothing to do with having no pension, seeing his hard-earned savings turned to dust. Nothing like that at all - its because he wants to be like you and other wankers.

Insightful stuff Cobblers. After all, "its human nature innit"

 

[Divisive Cotton]

The Capitalist system generates the environment that allows consumer demand to be met, whether that's a gym shoe with a different logo, a smaller lighter MP3 device with better battery life or cheap rice.

How and why does it create this demand?

 

[dennisr]

You bolded something. How nice. I think they just hate you cotch. It's really not envy

This is something you are going to have to get used to Cobblers - in the past it was just mild resentment at meeting arrogant folk like you face to face but, more and more folk, would be only mildly perturbed ("oh, that's going a bit far innit") to see you and your ilk hanging from lamposts.

You will have to get used to 'feeling the fear' Cobblers. You can try and convince yourself that it's just a distorted desire to be just like you all you like -I don't think that will make you feel that much more comfortable though.

I hope you lose everything dear to you.

 

[butchersapron]

This is something you are going to have to get used to Cobblers - in the past it was just mild resentment at meeting arrogant folk like you face to face but, more and more folk, would be only mildly perturbed ("oh, that's going a bit far innit") to see you and your ilk hanging from lamposts.

You will have to get used to 'feeling the fear' Cobblers. You can try and convince yourself that it's just a distorted desire to be just like you all you like -I don't think that will make you feel that much more comfortable though.

I hope you lose everything dear to you.

He can feel it...our day is coming, then there will be blood.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

I don't think humanity is either altruistic or selfish... but a complex mixture of both.

While relationships and the need to breed are intensely selfish and personal desires, the social side of our personal lives is woven with everybody elses.

Humanity has socially evolved through cooperation - right from hunting in packs onwards...

We could not have reached the condition we are in today - a complex and advanced cultural and technological civilization if we were solitary beings that don't or can't work with other human beings or whose only motive was personal oneupmanship to the detriment of all others around us.

Essentially, I'm a great believer in humanity - humans have mastered our own destinies and shaped the environment around us... and so no problem in this society or in the world is too difficult to overcome. Everything is possible.

Whereas you Cobbles take a bleak, cynical view of your fellow human beings

 

[dennisr]

Essentially, I'm a great believer in humanity - humans have mastered our own destinies and shaped the environment around us... and so no problem in this society or in the world is too difficult to overcome. Everything is possible.

Very nicely put

 

[dennisr]

then there will be blood.

then he'll have to clean his own bloody toilets and cook his own bloody dinner

 

[butchersapron]

Very nicely put

It is, that's why i know that communism will win, it's already winning.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So what credible alternative can you offer?

sorry fuck face i wasn't aware it was soly down to me to offer a viable alternative which woulc be put into practice immideately fucking hell i never knew that in diagnosis of a problem meant also that this wasn't a ture diagnosis unless you also provide a perfect and working solution to that problem and fuck face what the cunt have you done then to alter the status quo?

name names post up your revolutionary deeds ideas and we'll work out whether or not they've got merit the thing is I'm not terribly bright as many better thinkers will atestify too... but even i can see your shill blind support of the status quo and it's macinations is well frnbakly a bit fucked in the head....

you must have a significant amount of capital invested in the current system power or influnece which you clearly can ill afford to give up. It can be the only explaination for your consistant straw man attacks and your derisery comments.

either that or your thicker than me on a well stupid day...

which is it son...

and your viabale alternative idea which can be presented and assessed before you get your answer...

Which i do have btw, just you need to put the leg work into telling me whether it's actually worth the wasting my time explaining somethngto some one who traditionally gets it less than a 300 year old corpse...

so your plans please...

 

[Cobbles]

sorry fuck face i wasn't aware it was soly down to me to offer a viable alternative which woulc be put into practice immideately fucking hell i never knew that in diagnosis of a problem meant also that this wasn't a ture diagnosis unless you also provide a perfect and working solution to that problem and fuck face what the cunt have you done then to alter the status quo?

name names post up your revolutionary deeds ideas and we'll work out whether or not they've got merit the thing is I'm not terribly bright as many better thinkers will atestify too... but even i can see your shill blind support of the status quo and it's macinations is well frnbakly a bit fucked in the head....

you must have a significant amount of capital invested in the current system power or influnece which you clearly can ill afford to give up. It can be the only explaination for your consistant straw man attacks and your derisery comments.

either that or your thicker than me on a well stupid day...

which is it son...

and your viabale alternative idea which can be presented and assessed before you get your answer...

Which i do have btw, just you need to put the leg work into telling me whether it's actually worth the wasting my time explaining somethngto some one who traditionally gets it less than a 300 year old corpse...

so your plans please...

So, in short, you can't think of anything better than the present system so prefer to resort to tourettes.....

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So, in short, you can't think of anything better than the present system so prefer to resort to tourettes.....

nope i've already said i have an answer to your question but want to see the level of in depth knowledge you have before having to waste my time explain something to you in the nth degree...

really why should anyone here do your research for you, it's not as though you are aimiable enough to actually invest my time (which is expensive to the likes of you) doing so without seeing that you have equally taken the time to consider such actions.

so your plan for a fairer better society which is credible when you are ready your stalling bluffing and deliberate ignoring of the information provided is already showing how ill educated on the subject cease you bluster and get on with posting it fuck face...

btw swearing at people is shown as a sign of disrepect riduculling people for possible dissablity is however the mark of some ignorant cunt who probably cant' manage in the real world being self responsible..

so why are you using a disablity as an insult are you incapable of insulting people without recourse to denergrating other groups....

which is also btw the mark of a cunt...

you wan't to insult me cuntbubbles then at least do so in a manner which is insulting to me...

If i were tourettic then it'd still have no relevance to the issue under discussion...

unless you are major pleb, which let's face it, you are aren't you...

my guess is though trolly mcfuck nut you haven't had a single original idea in your entire life in regards to thinking or acting outside of the system....

tell me again what you have invested in the status quo...

how much is it again?

 

[purplex]

Angry kids get angry. Old people condemn. How very predictable.
Id be happy for this girl to be jailed if the police took responsibility for their actions on the day, but they wont

FREE THE RBS ONE

 

[Kaka Tim]

Angry kids get angry. Old people condemn. How very predictable.
Id be happy for this girl to be jailed if the police took responsibility for their actions on the day, but they wont

FREE THE RBS ONE

Most sensible thing said thus far.