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17-year-old girl facing jail because of G20

The reasons behind an action matter very much unless you live in a ridicilous black and white world. That's why judges hear the circumstances surrounding an incident and take it into account.

You missed out the other clause in my sentence - "grown ups shouldn't be encouraging it". Very naughty because it twists the sense of what I said.
 
You missed out the other clause in my sentence - "grown ups shouldn't be encouraging it". Very naughty because it twists the sense of what I said.
We shouldn't be encouraging young people to accept that pursuing unpopular, illegal and extraordinarily bloody wars and then lying about the reasons for doing so is ok, yet scum like you do it anyway. So fuck off with your pathetic mealy mouthed claptrap about broken windows please.
 
You missed out the other clause in my sentence - "grown ups shouldn't be encouraging it". Very naughty because it twists the sense of what I said.

Doesn't matter what the reasons are - grown ups shouldn't be encouraging it.

It doesn't change the point I am trying to make about the reasons, does it?, and tbh at 17 she is nearly an adult anyway, what's with this "grown-up" nonsense?
 
We shouldn't be encouraging young people to accept that pursuing unpopular, illegal and extraordinarily bloody wars and then lying about the reasons for doing so is ok, yet scum like you do it anyway. So fuck off with your pathetic mealy mouthed claptrap about broken windows please.

Oh, for goodness sake, stop muddling everything up. Plumped's foolish support for disastrous foreign policies has absolutely fuck all to do with her sensible refusal to go along with adolescent support for daft vandalism.

Incidentally, as far as we know, the 17-year-old girl's spot of vandalism also has fuck all to do with foreign policy, let alone with Plumped's New Labbery.

In fact, we don't know - or at least I don't know - what her motives were. Perhaps she dislikes all banks and banking. Perhaps she dislikes nationalised banks. Perhaps she dislikes Scots. Perhaps she dislikes bonuses to bankers. Perhaps she dislikes all bank workers or everyone who works in the City. Perhaps she just enjoys a bit of vandalism. Perhaps she mistakenly thought a spot of vandalism would make a clear statement of her views. It didn't. Sometimes, I suppose, it does, but generally, as in this case, it doesn't in the slightest.
 
Oh, for goodness sake, stop muddling everything up. Plumped's foolish support for disastrous foreign policies has absolutely fuck all to do with her sensible refusal to go along with adolescent support for daft vandalism.

Incidentally, as far as we know, the 17-year-old girl's spot of vandalism also has fuck all to do with foreign policy, let alone with Plumped's New Labbery.

In fact, we don't know - or at least I don't know - what her motives were. Perhaps she dislikes all banks and banking. Perhaps she dislikes nationalised banks. Perhaps she dislikes Scots. Perhaps she dislikes bonuses to bankers. Perhaps she dislikes all bank workers or everyone who works in the City. Perhaps she just enjoys a bit of vandalism. Perhaps she mistakenly thought a spot of vandalism would make a clear statement of her views. It didn't. Sometimes, I suppose, it does, but generally, as in this case, it doesn't in the slightest.

I am merely toying with the scum. None of your usual drivel about muslims here I see. Is this a first?
 
I am merely toying with the scum. None of your usual drivel about muslims here I see. Is this a first?

It is important to respek the way in which The Religion of Peace & Tolerance deals with delinquent 17-year-old girls.

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Firm but fair.
 
Ye i didn't see anything heroic about her actions.However if she had strapped 10 kilo of cemtex to her chest on a timer and walked into the RBS HQ that would be a different story....
 
Ye i didn't see anything heroic about her actions.However if she had strapped 10 kilo of cemtex to her chest on a timer and walked into the RBS HQ that would be a different story....

...but more than a little hard on the bank workers, customers, cleaners, security guards and passers-by, don't you think?
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...20-protests-Four-charged-over-RBS-attack.html

The exact charges the girl faces are burglary and "intent to commit damage" (I assume the Telegraph means criminal damage there). Regardless of political motives, vandalism is wrong, and it's right that those responsible should face criminal damage charges.

Apparently she was drunk and trying to break a pc screen with a keyboard. She then resisted arrest. This all took place inside the bank.
 
I'd argue against imprisonment for vandalism, too. It's ludicrous.


There is just no sense in sentencing these days. People downloading child porn have been known to get away with a suspended sentence, or get off scot free if they're a mason....
 
I've just seen a report on the web that A 17-year-old girl has been warned she faces jail after she admitted attacking the Royal Bank of Scotland building during the G20 clashes.

I'm in my mid 50s and as far as I'm concerned this albeit young girl is a hero and many others that have been apprehend by the filthy police are Innocent victims of the rotten capitalist system. What can we do to support them?

Assuming that your post is true it's a bit of tough shit on her.
 
I've just seen a report on the web that A 17-year-old girl has been warned she faces jail after she admitted attacking the Royal Bank of Scotland building during the G20 clashes.

I'm in my mid 50s and as far as I'm concerned this albeit young girl is a hero and many others that have been apprehend by the filthy police are Innocent victims of the rotten capitalist system. What can we do to support them?

"17-year-old girl facing jail because of G20 "

Not because of G20, but because she was daft enough to clamber through a window, try to smash someone else's property (no matter how loathsome the owner is) and then getting caught. And then singing like a canary about her mates wot told her to do it and she was a bit pissed like.

:rolleyes:
 
Break a window under normal circumstances and get a slap on the wrist.

Do the same on a political demo and you face jail.

That's how shit is.

Remember that the judiciary is independent of the political process, oh yes.
 
Assuming that your post is true it's a bit of tough shit on her.

It's true friend, and yes tough if she is sent down, this may well happen I fear as the system will want to severely punish protesters for all the obvious reasons.
 
Break a window under normal circumstances and get a slap on the wrist.

Do the same on a political demo and you face jail.

That's how shit is.

Remember that the judiciary is independent of the political process, oh yes.
The first is random vandalism, the other is rioting.
The latter is always treated more seriously.

How would you feel if it was fascists attacking a birth control clinic ?
 
Apparently she was drunk and trying to break a pc screen with a keyboard. She then resisted arrest. This all took place inside the bank.
Sounds like the sort of nonsense many teenagers get themselves into. (Albeit not in front of the world's media.) Until we have a proper system for juveniles, a fine and community service sound right, if guilty as charged.

The political element to the crimes shouldn't make any difference, although it probably will. I note everyone involved was swiftly apprehended and charged, in contrast to most cases subject to the whims of PACE and the CPS. A quick show-trial and gaol time to "look tough" will doubtless follow. Not that I disagree that everyone else involved should be given gaol time, if guilty. If the would-be arsonist is guilty, he should get a long stretch. But this should be the norm.
 
How would you feel if it was fascists attacking a birth control clinic ?

Putting this in to some perspective here; it's not fascists attacking a birth control clinic is it? But the police acting like fascists and attacking the Innocent protesting peacefully, and killing one man in the process.
 
What better time to start demonising protesters and take attention away from the matter of the heavy handed and violent policing and the large question hovering over Ian Tomlinson's death?
 
What better time to start demonising protesters and take attention away from the matter of the heavy handed and violent policing and the large question hovering over Ian Tomlinson's death?

Isn't there a thread about that issue already?
 
The first is random vandalism, the other is rioting.
The latter is always treated more seriously.

Exactly as I said.

gentlegreen said:
How would you feel if it was fascists attacking a birth control clinic ?

I really don't get your point here. Would I be more or less pissed off if said fascists did the attacking in a riot situation or as a bit of general vandalism???
 
Isn't there a thread about that issue already?
At least two, but the point is that being seen to clamp down hard on this 17 year old is a great way for the authorities to draw media attention on the (minimal) violence rather than address the serious issues abut the conduct of the police on the day.
 
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