14th November Movement for Left Unity
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
All that is solid melts into air
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
So presumably you think there is a significant section in society who identify as 'left', recognise that there is a need for some sort of movement led by 'celeb' lefts, have been waiting for this type of formation and that the 7,000 people who have liked LU on Facebook will want a play an active role?
How long do you think LU will need before it becomes a signifcant threat the the Labour Party? And amongst which class do you think it gain support?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Course there is.
But the overwhelming tone is pretty much the usual stuff you'd expect from people who could be lazily dismissed as "middle class guardian reading liberals".
Whilst it would be a mistake to make such a lazy dismissal, as you say there is more to it than that, it is still largely appearing to be the same old.
But as I've said above, good luck to em and I continue to watch for developments that prove me wrong.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
We've had your three weeks flame now we have the thirty years ashes then?
fiannanahalba
Feel the Love
This is going to be very big, in fact it could be massive.
What makes you say that?
fiannanahalba
Feel the Love
Increasingly the centre of political gravity in England is moving to the right with Labour chasing the Tories there at every step. The vacuum is great and the number of politically homeless socialists of all types is great. Will Owen Jones network idea in and out of Labour capture this effort? Possible. Then its a damp squib yet again. The weakness of the revolutionary left in England means that a project like this wont be destroyed by sectarian attentions as easily as previous failed left unity projects. Of course its quite possible it will be so diverse and politically broad that it fails to gain electoral traction but then thats not everything.
8,000 have signed up for it now http://leftunity.org/appeal/
Will add my thoughts on this in detail another time.
The enthusiasm is quite amazing, in some cities, the whole of SWSS seems to be involved, lots of public sector workers, but even small business people, but how they deal with the SWP will be crucial, the SP a bit less...
One thing seems a unifying factor, the desperate desire not to have 57 varieties of left sects arguing with one another, my assertion that the SWP question must be taken up asap may seem counter-intuitive but if they don't, they, the SWP, will ultimately undermine the project..
One thing seems a unifying factor, the desperate desire not to have 57 varieties of left sects arguing with one another, my assertion that the SWP question must be taken up asap may seem counter-intuitive but if they don't, they, the SWP, will ultimately undermine the project..
ska invita
back on the other side
Surely the SWP arent going to try (or be allowed ) to take this one over... i think theyve got enough on their plates. If LU get big enough I wouldve thought the SWP would happily ride in the slipstream rather than be sidelined.
I would rather they had no involvement at all, they are not a benign force...
btw, some of the organisers in the localities are actively inviting SWP cadres as they think unity is so important and central to success, while some are new and naïve some seem to be fellow travellers..
btw, some of the organisers in the localities are actively inviting SWP cadres as they think unity is so important and central to success, while some are new and naïve some seem to be fellow travellers..
ska invita
back on the other side
it would be impossible to ban anyone with SWP connections and I think as its stands theres enough history (between key LU people and the SWP) and difference in strategy to keep the SWP at bay from this...cheer up, might never appen!
but are the former SWP members who clearly are going to join en masse any different? bad habits die hard..
en masse? That's a debasement of the term if I ever heard one
If LU has the weight you seem to think it does I can't see the 150 or so real members of the ISN being able to do that much
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Either the LU project will evolve in new, unexpected ways that the likes of the SWP won't be able to get their heads around and thus end leaving alone or unable to get any sort of handle on (as happened with the antiCJA and Eco protests).
Or it'll be working in ways more familiar and comfortable to the SWP in which case it's doomed anyways..
So I don't think, in this case, the SWP are cause for concern.
Or it'll be working in ways more familiar and comfortable to the SWP in which case it's doomed anyways..
So I don't think, in this case, the SWP are cause for concern.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It would have to be a rather shit branch, and even then one branch couldnt change national policy.
ska invita
back on the other side
that i dont know but my impressions is that SWP members on the whole aren't anywhere as dogmatic about vanguardist control freakery and tireless interpretation and following of the russian revolution playbook - its the CC who call those shots and set that agenda
neprimerimye
Well-Known Member
LOL. Still has all his hair check the dire photo on the LU site for evidence.
You in London these days chillango? If so lets get pissed!
And was never in the Welsh Socialist Alliance.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Heh.
You handed out election flyers for them though I think? I was sticking those stupid pink anti election stickers up at the same time iirc?
Not in London. In Reading for my sins (quite literally)...and I don't drink these days. But I'm sure we can meet up for a pint at some point!
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