chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
neprimerimye that you at the west London meeting?
Heh.
You handed out election flyers for them though I think? I was sticking those stupid pink anti election stickers up at the same time iirc?
Not in London. In Reading for my sins (quite literally)...and I don't drink these days. But I'm sure we can meet up for a pint at some point!
neprimerimye that you at the west London meeting?
Yeah man! LoL. Out of 16 people a third were former SWPers!
How will it change? What is the process by which these loop people get anywhere?th
That will change, at the moment its just people in the loop, they need to harness the anger of the thousands on facebook, at bedroom tax protests etc who are going ballistic and frightened at the same time..
More boring, predictable twaddle from the same old people. How many times will we attempt to weld together the sects, ‘independent’ sectarians and vegan priestly quaker ‘green’ vague lefty Liberals into some ‘new’ formation from which the working class will run shrieking in horror?
Yeah man! LoL. Out of 16 people a third were former SWPers!
there are plenty of working class people involved, all you seem to get on here is buckets of cynicism, its dispiriting...
they need to harness the anger of the thousands on facebook, at bedroom tax protests etc who are going ballistic and frightened at the same time..
No!
No, no, no.
No.
That's the last thing they need to do.
Anger should not be harnessed.
It should be fuelled.
I just did, and got ignored. Again. Here's another go:why not just train a critical eye over it? that's fair, not the 39th Step/Spanky overkill..
you said:That will change, at the moment its just people in the loop, they need to harness the anger of the thousands on facebook, at bedroom tax protests etc who are going ballistic and frightened at the same time..
I mean get them involved...
why not just train a critical eye over it? that's fair, not the 39th Step/Spanky overkill..
Well there were no head bangers in the room which was nice. An eagerness for activity and a bit of a lack of direction. We now have events planned for the next couple of months and a growing contact list. Naturally I expect it to end in tears when they reject my proposal to refound the Fourth International and elect me chairperson. Otherwise I'm cautiously optimisitic but big changes are needed in order toa accomodate very wide differences of opinion. Which is no bad thing.what are your views on the meeting, outcomes?
That's what you hoped on all the other ones to be fair....and it's not like we're rocking up to the meetings and telling people it's not worth bothering.
I do really hope I'm wrong on this one.
That's what you hoped on all the other ones to be fair.
...and it's not like we're rocking up to the meetings and telling people it's not worth bothering.
I do really hope I'm wrong on this one.
Peter Burrows
April 15, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Anything new that intends to fill a political void on the radical left will at its outset attempt to lay down core basic principles & values that will embrace & indeed sometimes overlap with other viewpoints from other people/organisations .
Where i believe Left Unity can map out a vision/strategy is by rooting itself distinctly as radical decentralist movement that empowers its membership with bottom up power base that works with tenants groups.community groups,youth organisations ,womens groups etc . Sets its politics in & around its respective local people welcoming those who join LU & working alongside those who choose not to take that political step ,which will give a true sense of localism .
Stemming & flowing from the LU community politics comes a clear starting point getting the trust of local people & the political dimension is attempting to get LU a political voice on local,parish,town councils & as the local community begins to see LU working locally trust & credibility builds & voter appeal gets a foothold.
As a consequence of LU working locally various common threads will become clear on bigger picture political issues such as education,economy, equality ,social justice.employment etc .
I (personally) believe a local based political approach should be the starting point of course such an approach can develop links with local trade union branches ,many of whom will live & work locally as well ,so a community based approach will embrace a sense of local unity between LU & their membership .
I do not & would not be critical of anyones positive input to building core principles & values that people can embrace & proud to build upon .
Huddersfield have stepped up to the plate set down a viewpoint that becomes part of strategy /vision which can only help to develop LU moving forward.
Peter………….
http://leftunity.org/stuff-we-can-unite-around/?doing_wp_cron=1366117034.6238970756530761718750
Brighton Left Unity held its first meeting on the evening of the 18th April in central Brighton. Around sixty people showed up, a lively and exciting mix of experienced activists, students from the Sussex occupation, other students, trades union members and local people of all ages and backgrounds. It was immediately clear that this was not a single campaign group, nor a meeting only for seasoned party workers, but a very open, hospitable environment in which everyone was encouraged to share their thoughts and views regardless whether they had any experience of activism or political work. There were no dominant voices and no members from already existing political groups tried to steer discussion down narrow partisan channels. Lots of people in the room contributed to the conversation and everyone was heard with respect.
http://leftunity.org/left-unity-has-to-be-fun-if-it-is-going-to-be-serious/
The meeting heard from members of Unison (the union that represents 90% of the workers at Sussex who are directly affected by the outsourcing plans) who complained bitterly that their reps at the university are apparently attempting to prevent strike action by refusing to issue an indicative ballot and instead sending out a large, confusing “survey” of members’ opinions.
Lots of people who already belong to a party or other political group said how exciting it is that Left Unity has already managed to attract such large numbers of people, and suggested various actions and campaigns that the group might like to consider supporting