14th November Movement for Left Unity
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Which ones? They split into left and right factions a few years back.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=575558232565402&set=pcb.575558342565391&type=1
Left Unity protest about the 'homeless spikes',Tesco removed them soon after
Left Unity protest about the 'homeless spikes',Tesco removed them soon after
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
soon before even! Tesco were removing them as the protest arrived
Left Unity are brilliant a massive victory and all down to them, homeless people can huddle on the streets again!
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Nobody else did or said anything about the homeless spikes. It was all the work of Left Unity, and Left Unity alone.
SpineyNorman
Inappropriate content removed
This isn't specifically a dig at left unity so much as the state of the left more generally, but how depressing it is that it's now seen as a victory when homeless people don't have to give up sleeping in doorways 
We now have the spectacle of a guy calling for Left Unity to support ISIS/IS as he sees the movement undermining the old colonial nations.
I mean, you really can't make this shit up. What the fuck is up with these people?
http://leftunity.org/arabia-the-dem...n=arabia-the-demise-of-the-old-colonial-order
After several months now, no online forum - instead this nonsense is displayed on the front page of the LU site - no recognisable policies, an invisible group of speakers, the usual banners/leaflets and people banging on about `comrades`. Jesus fucking christ. Do we really have to wait for all these people to die out before we are allowed a left wing party which is even vaguely in step with the rest of the population?
I mean, you really can't make this shit up. What the fuck is up with these people?
http://leftunity.org/arabia-the-dem...n=arabia-the-demise-of-the-old-colonial-order
After several months now, no online forum - instead this nonsense is displayed on the front page of the LU site - no recognisable policies, an invisible group of speakers, the usual banners/leaflets and people banging on about `comrades`. Jesus fucking christ. Do we really have to wait for all these people to die out before we are allowed a left wing party which is even vaguely in step with the rest of the population?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
An overwhelming majority commenters don't appear to agree with him. John Tummon is the only one.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
They have precisely zero influence. Stop trying to pretend that 'open borders' isn't widely supported, just because you dont like it
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Left Unity still exists?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Well, for starters, the overwhelming majority of LU members who voted - which includes about 2 WP members
The overwhelming majority of people who could actually make it to a conference in Manchester you mean. Simple stuff like promises of an online section of LU for its members never materialised - I know running member only forums is pretty tricky 
. `Open borders` is a ridiculous idea - even its name seems designed to make its proponents seems like air heads - and it ends up doing nothing to address the complexities of modern people movements across borders. It's like reverse Ukip, simplistic nonsense.
Too many times in my life I see these opportunities - large or small - chucked away by the same types of groups of `activists`. Who speak in language which seems designed to alienate large sections of the population. Who are good at attacking the ills of society - austerity etc - but provide no concrete alternatives, ways out. Who confuse laudable political goals - "end privatisation in the NHS" - with any actual policies on how you achieve this. Where foreign policy seems to be about one region - Israel-Palestine - while ignoring most other places in the world where similar/greater atrocities are carrying on. And so much talk about Marx, self-defining "socialists" and folks who call themselves "radicals". Etcetera etcetera...
Somewhat frustrating...again...
. `Open borders` is a ridiculous idea - even its name seems designed to make its proponents seems like air heads - and it ends up doing nothing to address the complexities of modern people movements across borders. It's like reverse Ukip, simplistic nonsense.Too many times in my life I see these opportunities - large or small - chucked away by the same types of groups of `activists`. Who speak in language which seems designed to alienate large sections of the population. Who are good at attacking the ills of society - austerity etc - but provide no concrete alternatives, ways out. Who confuse laudable political goals - "end privatisation in the NHS" - with any actual policies on how you achieve this. Where foreign policy seems to be about one region - Israel-Palestine - while ignoring most other places in the world where similar/greater atrocities are carrying on. And so much talk about Marx, self-defining "socialists" and folks who call themselves "radicals". Etcetera etcetera...
Somewhat frustrating...again...
Speaking broadly and without any academic rigour...
We need a 'new left'. As in a left which is actually left and not a cover for the right, Tony Blair or Bono.
We need it to run in elections so we can vote for it, right now, because at the moment that is the way things work.
We need it to grasp the complexities of domestic and foreign policy and not nail its hands to causes which turn out to be dead weights, Saddam Hussein or Bono.
It needs to talk in basic English not some inferior version of Richard Beckinsale in 'Rising Damp'.
It needs to have an economic policy which wouldn't bankrupt the country in 20 minutes, sadly we are prisoners of 'markets' right now and waving banners won't change that.
And rather oddly, or perhaps not, the only place I see its tiny little beginnings is here on Urban 75.
Can someone smart please do something about this? Mike? Butchers? The other smart people?
We need a 'new left'. As in a left which is actually left and not a cover for the right, Tony Blair or Bono.
We need it to run in elections so we can vote for it, right now, because at the moment that is the way things work.
We need it to grasp the complexities of domestic and foreign policy and not nail its hands to causes which turn out to be dead weights, Saddam Hussein or Bono.
It needs to talk in basic English not some inferior version of Richard Beckinsale in 'Rising Damp'.
It needs to have an economic policy which wouldn't bankrupt the country in 20 minutes, sadly we are prisoners of 'markets' right now and waving banners won't change that.
And rather oddly, or perhaps not, the only place I see its tiny little beginnings is here on Urban 75.
Can someone smart please do something about this? Mike? Butchers? The other smart people?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Coolfonz no.
The left doesn't start here.
It starts in working class communities.
...and before that it starts in the re-building of working class communities.
...and before that it starts with figuring out what the hell terms like "working class" and "community " actually mean here and now and why exactly they're so important for any sort of notion of change.
The left doesn't start here.
It starts in working class communities.
...and before that it starts in the re-building of working class communities.
...and before that it starts with figuring out what the hell terms like "working class" and "community " actually mean here and now and why exactly they're so important for any sort of notion of change.
Who is Mike and why is he one of the smart people?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
of course thats what I mean, The people who could be arsed to attend. The people who, overwhelmingly, voted to support that particular motion. The same people who also voted to reject Workers Power motions and a variety of other 'far left' proposals. Which proves that, despite what the dishonest idiot treelover says, WP hold no sway over the organisation.
If you dont like it, get involved, otherwise your objections are just sideline whining.
Yeah amazingly not everyone could be at that conference on that specific day with no other means of voting. What was it 300 out of 2000 members? Even on the now-abandoned forum some folks with disabilities said they could not attend. What about people with no jobs/low pay are they supposed to travel? Online voting systems I don't think are that hard to set up. Anyway...
If one doesn't know what the terms one is using actually mean, then they aren't much use in electoral politics I would say.
And shift workers and retail workers, healthcare workers, firefighters, and others who have to work weekends - none of them could be arsed? yet more evidence that Left Unity is a typical UK trot get together
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Depends whether you're interested in actually changing anything or not I guess. If you are it's worth stopping and thinking for a while.
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