"You're just not worth it."

[treelover]

I think the opposite may well happen, and may indeed be the intention. That is, the consequences of accepting/being pushed into the category disabled, will be so marginalizing - being economically and culturally placed on the edge/outside of normal/able/hardworking society - that people will avoid it at all costs. It will become one of the new 'work house tests', disciplining us all, the 'worth less' disabled, the worthy disabled and the able.

Of course the rhetoric surrounding it will be that of inclusion. A great success will be trumpeted; the relatively small numbers who submit to being worth less than the minimum wage, will be held up as proof of the caring success of inclusion, all the while ignoring the poverty of the minimum wage itself.

Louis MacNeice

yes, and lauded by the BBC who always seem to find these people when they are doing interviews on these issues

 

[Teaboy]

It isn't.

IMO what's more of relevance is how David Cameron disavowed Freud, and then apparently used the memory of his dead son to deflect any insinuation that Tory policies on disabled people might be at all cuntish.

Didnt he invoke the memory of his dead child at the tory conference recently when trying to pretend he is not paving the way for the complete gutting of the NHS?

TBH now that he has crossed that Rubicon I doubt there is any policy he won't invoke the memory of his dead child to justify.

If my son was still around today he would say, but daddy you must simply give the rich a tax break and the send the SAS into Syria. Now are you fuckers going to argue against the wishes of a dead child? Are you!

 

[ViolentPanda]

So should I take a pay cut purely because I have a disability? I should be even more fucking grateful for the work?

Fuck. That.

While Freud's spoken proposal suggest he's only interested in conning people with intellectual disabilities, we can be sure that (as with so many other neoliberal policies) future ministers and governments would likely seek to expand the remit of such proposals if they ever made it to the statute book.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I have a feeling Nye Bevan would have had a few words to say about new labour...

Before or after he'd finished punching out Kinnock, Blair and Brown?

 

[Pickman's model]

Before or after he'd finished punching out Kinnock, Blair and Brown?

i thought bevan would use an implement rather than a naked fist

 

[ViolentPanda]

i thought bevan would use an implement rather than a naked fist

A miner's pick, hopefully.

 

[SikhWarrioR]

Before or after he'd finished punching out Kinnock, Blair and Brown?

If you are gonna do a job do it properly when it comes to labour from kinnock onwards [with the exception of a few individuals] and take the lot out

 

[andysays]

What, besides "glass the fucker"?
Freud is a tosser. He came from a coddled family background, and has a coddled educational background. He went from uni to working in the City for big bucks. He's got as much of a clue about the reality of economic life for disabled people as my big toes have of the taste of caviar. I'd urge the two-bob cunt to do the honourable thing and resign, but expecting honour from his ilk is like expecting a duck to recite Wordsworth - it'll never happen.

This is all true, but there's no reason to single him out for glassing. It's not as if Freud is particularly unique in thinking this (and he's far from unique in the government in his background) - I'm sure that everyone in the present government thinks similarly - where he is different is in being careless enough to actually say it.

Freud may vote Conservative in GEs, but he's officially a cross-bencher in the Lords, and was doing his cunt's work for new Labour before ever he did so for the Tories.

And similarly, I'm sure his views are shared by many in the Labour shadow cabinet, although they're not likely to admit it ATM.

 

[andysays]

I have a feeling Nye Bevan would have had a few words to say about new labour...

Equally lower than vermin, and hypocritical cunts to boot

 

[killer b]

This is all true, but there's no reason to single him out for glassing. It's not as if Freud is particularly unique in thinking this (and he's far from unique in the government in his background) - I'm sure that everyone in the present government thinks similarly - where he is different is in being careless enough to actually say it.

Yeah, it's a fairly unremarkable view to take for capitalists. The inevitable view for them to take in fact, where the only real measure is the bottom line.

 

[butchersapron]

These people are the political face of capital - the shadow cast by business on society. It's a waste of time looking at their personal shitness rather than what their personal shitness is trying to represent.

 

[killer b]

Yeah, totally. It's worth highlighting their personal shitness of course, but at the same time without it being shown where it comes from - the ideology all major parties are deeply committed to, not some kind of personal failing - then what we get next is someone else with essentially identical views. Except maybe he can hide it better.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

These people are the political face of capital - the shadow cast by business on society. It's a waste of time looking at their personal shitness rather than what their personal shitness is trying representing.

Quite...they are voicing the demand of capital that everything and everybody must be measured against it; any deviance from this orthodoxy (such as that represented by the unversalist, free access NHS) is merely a concession which can and if necessary will be withdrawn.

Cheers - Louis macNeice

 

[treelover]

It looks like its only going to be a 24 hour story, unless more comes out, it seems to have gone right down the reporting today.

 

[Buckaroo]

It looks like its only going to be a 24 hour story, unless more comes out, it seems to have gone right down the reporting today.

It's a forever story unless something different comes out.

 

[treelover]

I meant in terms of Fraud resigning.

 

[butchersapron]

I meant in terms of Fraud resigning.

That's what you expected?

 

[brogdale]

I meant in terms of Fraud resigning.

That is massively unimportant; there are plenty more like him that could undertake the role. It is, though, important that the mask slipped and reminded some people once again why the vermin are called the nasty party.

 

[andysays]

I meant in terms of Fraud resigning.

Do you really think Freud is alone within the govt in his attitudes, rather than in being careless enough to express them candidly?

Do you really think anything of substance would change if he were to resign?

 

[Imagine]

Only 6000 odd have signed the Sack Lord Freud petition:

http://www.change.org/p/sack-lord-f...sabled-people-were-not-worth-the-minimum-wage

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do you really think Freud is alone within the govt in his attitudes, rather than in being careless enough to express them candidly?

Do you really think anything of substance would change if he were to resign?

Better that he stays in place, as it makes it easier to discredit what he says legislatively - "what, Freud? Isn't he that plum who made that faux pas about 'the disabled?' ".
I've also emailed Freud and a couple of dailies mentioning just how fucking insulting it is to refer to any section or subsection of disabled people as "the disabled", as it residualises them to pretty much being their disability, rather than an individual.

 

[Buckaroo]

Only 6000 odd have signed the Sack Lord Freud petition:

http://www.change.org/p/sack-lord-freud-from-government-after-he-remarked-disabled-people-were-not-worth-the-minimum-wage

Why sack him? Promote the fucker, make him King Emperor Fella. He speaks the truth.

 

[Dogsauce]

Nothing new in his attitude. Davies wasn't even 'thinking aloud', yet there was less of a hullabaloo than this.

 

[ddraig]

It looks like its only going to be a 24 hour story, unless more comes out, it seems to have gone right down the reporting today.

are you not ashamed and embarrassed at your initial posts on this thread?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Just watching question time on this, god knows why. I despair I really do.

 

[Nylock]

This is all true, but there's no reason to single him out for glassing. It's not as if Freud is particularly unique in thinking this (and he's far from unique in the government in his background) - I'm sure that everyone in the present government thinks similarly - where he is different is in being careless enough to actually say it.

Exactly, and not forgetting this statement was made in answer to a question from a conservative councillor at a conference fringe meeting. From the tone of the question, it seems the councillor thought the same thing... Well, no surprises there then; cunts from bottom to top!

 

[J Ed]

These scum can't help themselves, can they?

 

[brogdale]

These scum can't help themselves, can they?

tbf she might as well enjoy her last 7 months in the job

 

[Schmetterling]

Only 6000 odd have signed the Sack Lord Freud petition:

http://www.change.org/p/sack-lord-f...sabled-people-were-not-worth-the-minimum-wage

8142 when I went to look;
8143 when I left the website.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Bribing employers to hire disabled people and then relying on benefits to 'top up their wage' is disgusting. It certainly won't stop them being classed as scroungers, and it will be the employee not the employer that will draw the ire of the public (no doubt the media will help with this of course, because nothing is ever the fault of the employer).