Yet another US college gun slaughter - "at least 10" killed in Oregan shooting

[TomUS]

A couple Repub candidate's reactions.....
Jeb Bush: "Stuff happens."
Donald Trump: "These things happen."

 

[phildwyer]

If the NRA were transported back to Spain '36, they'd be Francoists.

I suppose it's too much to expect you to provide your reasoning behind that mad assertion?

It's stupid for radical anti-capitalists to advocate a monopoly of violence by the capitalist state. That's an obvious contradiction, even Pickman's can see that.

 

[Cm7]

http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/27/9217305/virginia-shooting-mass-murder-contagion-social-media
It makes a good point on the other murder and it applies to this one.

Mass murders exhibit signs of social contagion. We know that media reports of suicides increase the likelihood of suicide — a phenomenon called suicide contagion. In 2012, Zeynep Tufekci suggested this might be the case and offered ethical ways to report on mass murder without spreading the contagion, based on the guidelines around suicides. This was prescient; an FBI report released last year showed that active shooting events have been growing in the last 14 years. An average of 11 mass murders occurred each year from 2000 to 2013, with "an increasing trend"; 486 people were killed and 557 were injured during that period.

 

[Idris2002]

Seems to have been due more to his liking of images of men with guns than the politics.

Well, quite.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

A couple Repub candidate's reactions.....
Jeb Bush: "Stuff happens."
Donald Trump: "These things happen."

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

 

[two sheds]

Yep.

I've noted before that, empirically speaking, the evidence suggests that gun prohibition leads to more gun crime. Countries with strict anti-guns laws (eg Jamaica) tend to have massive amounts of gun crime, while countries which recognize the right to bear arms (eg Switzerland) tend to have very little gun crime. Even within the USA this is true of states (compare New York with Arizona etc).

So the empirical evidence is unambiguously against gun prohibition. That's before we begin to discuss the right to self-defense, to resist tyranny etc. I understand it's easy to have an emotional reaction to events like this, but prohibition is not the answer.

You don't think that it's that the countries with massive amounts of gun crime (e.g. Jamaica) lead to strict anti-gun laws while countries which tend to have very little gun crime (eg Switzerland) recognize the right to bear arms?

Brain the size of a planet but

 

[J Ed]

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[goldenecitrone]

A couple Repub candidate's reactions.....
Jeb Bush: "Stuff happens."
Donald Trump: "These things happen."

If only it would happen to them.

 

[N_igma]

I suppose it's too much to expect you to provide your reasoning behind that mad assertion?

It's stupid for radical anti-capitalists to advocate a monopoly of violence by the capitalist state. That's an obvious contradiction, even Pickman's can see that.

You are the gift that just keeps on giving aren't you? Fucking idiot.

 

[likesfish]

A couple Repub candidate's reactions.....
Jeb Bush: "Stuff happens."
Donald Trump: "These things happen."

well if you will let anyone walk into a shop tool up with enough guns and ammo to start a small war with no questions asked at all of course these things will continue to happen.
The pastor who was wibbling about letting adult students carry on campus actually has a point .
if your not going to make any effort to disarm nutters labelling areas gun free is just making them a target rich environment for said nutter

 

[8ball]

if your not going to make any effort to disarm nutters labelling areas gun free is just making them a target rich environment for said nutter

<wonders whether shop round the corner has any popcorn...>

 

[8den]

Someone posted on Twitter a fairly solid graph demonstrating states with more stringent gun control have less firearms homicides. But yes let's have another round of "will gun control fix anything"

 

[gimesumtruf]

There will be a light shower of bullets in a few days time, one or two dead leaves blown off. Light scatterings of gun clouds driving by big city poor districts.
The big depression is once again expected automatically over schools within the month, the minority shallows may cop heavy handed storm fronts,
pissing down rain may catch out the homeless and rough sleepers. Watch out for shooting stars, occasional but sensational.
Most Americans weather it all as normal, whang bam thank you man.

 

[8ball]

Someone posted on Twitter a fairly solid graph demonstrating states with more stringent gun control have less firearms homicides. But yes let's have another round of "will gun control fix anything"

Someone on Twitter? A graph you say?

Oh, well - that settles everything, then.

 

[8den]

Someone on Twitter? A graph you say?

Oh, well - that settles everything, then.

Fine I'll dig up the study when I can link to it

 

[likesfish]

what works in the middle of nowhere re guns and what works in an urban setting are two diffrent things.
but 4 gun shops supply most of the weapons used in crime in chicago.
There arnt any gun shops in chicago true and those 4 are the nearest shops but still sort of shows how shit the gun laws are in the states.

 

[8ball]

Fine I'll dig up the study when I can link to it

Cheers. There are a lot of spurious and mis-applied stats knocking about at the moment, as well as ones that leave out crucial details, like when the figures were gathered.

I just saw one that was using gun homicide figures from 1980 - it was re-tweeted by Richard Branson.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Cheers. There are a lot of spurious and mis-applied stats knocking about at the moment, as well as ones that leave out crucial details, like when the figures were gathered.

Not to mention spurious comparisons between the US and countries with low crime/high gun ownership. There is one very obvious difference between the US and Switzerland or Germany or Canada, which is that in those other countries, the majority of gun-owners haven't armed themselves to provide protection from their fellow citizens. That has to be the crucial difference here.

There is an attitude in the States among certain people that it is a person's duty to have a gun to protect their family. The comparison here should be with South Africa, not Switzerland.

 

[8ball]

There is one very obvious difference between the US and Switzerland or Germany or Canada, which is that in those other countries, the majority of gun-owners haven't armed themselves to provide protection from their fellow citizens.

As well as a small but significant group of mentalists who have armed themselves to provide protection from the New World Order.

 

[Cpatain Rbubish]

A new year brings new U.S. and world population totals. According to the U.S. Census Bureau's annual projections, the United States will enter 2015 with 320,090,857 people.

Country Guns per 100 Residents (2014) Rank 1 (2014) Notes United States 88.8 1

Such a beautiful country, shame about the population.

 

[8ball]

Such a beautiful country, shame about the population.

It's a much lower population density than the UK.

 

[Cpatain Rbubish]

It's a much lower population density than the UK.

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[Cpatain Rbubish]

It was a comment about gun ownership stats.

 

[8ball]

And? That's population density, I was suggesting the proportionate gun ownership per person in the US might perhaps contribute to the amount of gun deaths?

Then what were you trying to say with 'shame about the population'?

With a tenth of the population, the same culture and roughly as many guns as people, the problems would be pretty much the same.

 

[8ball]

It was a comment about gun ownership stats.

Ah, ok. It wasn't too clear.

Still, there is more than just the rate of gun ownership going on here.

 

[Cpatain Rbubish]

Yeah there was a much longer post that I expurgated (just because I'm going to post tonight then maybe not for sometime, or ever) and I didn't feel like getting into a gun debate.

There's no debate, If you have gun you can use it, there's nothing empirical, philological or anything else to be considered, it just is.

 

[Mation]

Yeah there was a much longer post that I expurgated (just because I'm going to post tonight then maybe not for sometime, or ever)

Nah. Keep posting.

 

[likesfish]

The swiss have all done conscription.
Germany you have to jump though serious hoops and the goverment knows everything about your armoury and you have to prove your competence practical and theory to your fellow shooters if you target shoot or hunt two seperate sets of licences and exams.
Strangely if you want a machine gun in the states you have to do something similar and theres been one crime with a legally held machine gun in thirty years and the shooter was a cop

 

[MrsDoyle]

 

[8ball]

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