Yet another US college gun slaughter - "at least 10" killed in Oregan shooting

[Athos]

Pathetic. I'm saying that the many if not most mass shooters haven't broken any laws before they start their rampage. They acquire their weApons through legal means

I've never suggested otherwise.

 

[Athos]

So the US is the only country in the world that needs daily mass shootings to prevent Hitler II

And both the UK and Australia are two western democracies where gun control was enacted after mass shoots and have seen no more massacres or fascist dictatorships so raising them as comparisons are completely valid. We could also talk about Canada.

Yes, let's talk about Canada. Why do they have disproportionately fewer mass shootings there? Doesn't that support my argument that the cause is more complex than simply the number of guns per capita?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Is it just me but in the past few years has the rhetoric and appalling attitude from places like 4chan dialled up. I'm not saying they are the cause of this, but fucking hell it's not helping the public discourse.

It does seem that 4Chan pulls their demographic from the same pool of disenfranchised young white males they usually profile as the shooter.

 

[two sheds]

It's only recently (2008ish) because of the NRA pushing it that the Supreme Court ruled that the right to bear arms applied to individuals, too. It was originally as I understand it intended to apply to people in militias, and still can be read as that.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

How Conservatives “Reinvented” the Second Amendment – Gunned Down: The Power of the NRA - FRONTLINE

 

[DotCommunist]

Yes, I had that worry too.

The truth is if you can't regulate the guns themselves you have limit options for a workaround.

And if the wrong person tries to fire it, they get a taze charge from the gun butt. Maybe thats not doable yet tho...
I bet theres tons of hiden caches out there in massive america. Given all the money and amount of hardware in circulation. Dread to think how many clandestine arms dumps exist and I bet more spring up any time a politician talks of gun control

 

[8ball]

It does seem that 4Chan pulls their demographic from the same pool of disenfranchised young white males they usually profile as the shooter.

They've certainly gone from being weird to something more frightening in the last couple of years.

 

[sim667]

No, I didn't say they were carried out by people know to the police, did I. The acts of mass murder, are, by definition, crimes.

Your message doesn't read like that at all

I would say that the fact more than one person called you out on that makes it pretty obvious that you've phrased it appallingly.

 

[cesare]

Yes, let's talk about Canada. Why do they have disproportionately fewer mass shootings there? Doesn't that support my argument that the cause is more complex than simply the number of guns per capita?

Canada's got no constitutional guarantee on the right to bear arms iirc

 

[8ball]

It's only recently (2008ish) because of the NRA pushing it that the Supreme Court ruled that the right to bear arms applied to individuals, too. It was originally as I understand it intended to apply to people in militias, and still can be read as that.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

How Conservatives “Reinvented” the Second Amendment – Gunned Down: The Power of the NRA - FRONTLINE

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is the operable bit there.
Possible bad wording on the part of the authors...

 

[two sheds]

I also read somewhere that it's not so much fear of the government but rather fear of black people that makes the gun nuts gun nuts. Shame there's not a good Venn diagram somewhere.

 

[two sheds]

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is the operable bit there.
Possible bad wording on the part of the authors...

Possibly, but possibly "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" is the operable bit, too.

 

[laptop]

not the sort of thing i expected you to post.

for a start, i think it would be 'jewiest'.

Speeeling peedants iz all Jooish?

 

[8den]

Yes, let's talk about Canada. Why do they have disproportionately fewer mass shootings there? Doesn't that support my argument that the cause is more complex than simply the number of guns per capita?

Canada has more rigid gun control laws

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I also read somewhere that it's not so much fear of the government but rather fear of black people that makes the gun nuts gun nuts. Shame there's not a good Venn diagram somewhere.

I wouldn't be shocked if that were true.

 

[8den]

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is the operable bit there.
Possible bad wording on the part of the authors...

The authors were talking about the right the form musket carrying militias to fight the British and protect homesteads from Native American attacks

 

[8ball]

Possibly, but possibly "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" is the operable bit, too.

No, that's the premise.

It could equally mean that you want an armed populace so that you can recruit appropriately to a militia when an internal or external threat emerges.

 

[DotCommunist]

and slave uprisings-see above

 

[two sheds]

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is the operable bit there.
Possible bad wording on the part of the authors...

Gives us a solution compatible with the Second Amendment, though. People have the right to keep and bear arms all they want, the ammunition is held centrally for when they go on their militia workouts.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Strong support for guns in town shocked by college shooting:

ROSEBURG, Ore. (AP) — Hunting deer, elk and bear in the surrounding hills and fishing for salmon and steelhead have strong followings in southern Oregon's timber country, made famous by Western writer Zane Gray, who counted the North Umpqua River his favorite place to fish.

So does support for the right to own and carry a gun.

"I carry to protect myself — the exact same reason this happened," said Casey Runyan, referring to the deadly shootings Thursday at Umpqua Community College. Runyan carries a Glock 29 automatic pistol everywhere he goes.

"All my friends agree with me. That's the only kind of friends I have," said Runyan, a disabled Marine Corps veteran who says he carried a machine gun in the infantry in Iraq.

The county's top law enforcement officer, Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin, spoke out against state and federal gun-control legislation last year, telling a legislative committee that mandating background checks for private, person-to-person gun sales would not prevent criminals from getting firearms.

Hanlin also sent a letter to Vice President Joe Biden in 2013, after the shooting at a Newtown, Connecticut, elementary school. Hanlin said he and his deputies would refuse to enforce new gun-control restrictions "offending the constitutional rights of my citizens."

Strong support for guns in town shocked by college shooting

 

[Athos]

Yes, I want references that they actually did take those measures and that you haven't just spewed out a list of every 20th century tyrant you can remember from the history channel.

In 1938 the Nazi regime altered the laws firearms licensing to make it more difficult for Jews to hold guns. I'm sure you can google the rest.

You've never heard of the Jewish Combat Organisation then? The Bundists? The Partisans? The Ghetto Uprising..

Yes, I have.

So, are you saying that it is or is not harder for a state to persecute an unarmed citezenry as compared to an armed one.

 

[Belushi]

Yes, I have.

So, are you saying that it is or is not harder for a state to persecute an unarmed citezenry as compared to an armed one.

You got those references yet?

 

[8den]

I've never suggested otherwise.

Then why go off on that nonsense tangent?

 

[Tony_LeaS]

Strong support for guns in town shocked by college shooting:



Strong support for guns in town shocked by college shooting

"offending the constitutional rights of my citizens" ?!

The US of A are as backwards as they come sometimes.

 

[Athos]

Your message doesn't read like that at all

I would say that the fact more than one person called you out on that makes it pretty obvious that you've phrased it appallingly.

I would say the fact that two people jumped on the wrong way it says more about them than it does about what I actually wrote.

 

[8den]

Gives us a solution compatible with the Second Amendment, though. People have the right to keep and bear arms all they want, the ammunition is held centrally for when they go on their militia workouts.

The clue is in the name "amendment" it's not writ in stone and underlined twice. The is can change its constitution there's lots of precedents.

 

[sim667]

I would say the fact that two people jumped on the wrong way it says more about them than it does about what I actually wrote.

No, it really really doesn't..... you phrased it atrociously to get the specific point you wanted to across.....

 

[8den]

I would say the fact that two people jumped on the wrong way it says more about them than it does about what I actually wrote.

What was the right way idiot?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Guns are so mechanically simple any electronic failsafe could easily be circumnavigated, even the ammunition can be made easily enough.

Now particle beams and laser type firearms, they could be but I digress.

At least it would keep small children from shooting themselves while playing with a gun they found in mommy's purse.

 

[Athos]

Then why go off on that nonsense tangent?

I didn't. You did! By misinterpreting what I said.

 

[Athos]

What was the right way idiot?

The way that was consistent with what I actually wrote.