Will you vote for independence?

[butchersapron]

I don't think I said young Scottish voters were thick, I can't be bothered to go back to look but I am pretty sure I emphasised more that they don't yet know their own minds.

I can be bothered and you basically suggested an intelligence test wherin the passing grade is agreeing with you.

 

[butchersapron]

And neither of us have much influence in the EU! yea great!

Who is us? Where is my mighty influence right now?

 

[weltweit]

I didn't ask about your view on independence, I asked you why you think that people not living in scotland should have a vote.

I am abandoning that for the time being.
I do think the members of the union should have a say on the continuance of the union, even if the result of that poll might not mean any actual change.

 

[JTG]

And neither of us have much influence in the EU! yea great!

I'm sure there would be common interests.

Why is 'influence' so important? Why the need to punch more than our weight? WHy not just punch our weight? Isn't that fair?

 

[JTG]

I am abandoning that for the time being.
I do think the members of the union should have a say on the continuance of the union, even if the result of that poll might not mean any actual change.

Yet this makes no sense. It isn't right to compel an unwilling partner to stay

 

[free spirit]

No they shouldn't. They've fucked off to live elsewhere, they can vote there

it takes 5 years of residency in the UK to be eligible for British citizenship as a naturalised brit, but only a few months of living outside Scotland for Scots to lose their right to vote on an issue that impacts on which passport they will be eligible to hold.

 

[butchersapron]

I am abandoning that for the time being.
I do think the members of the union should have a say on the continuance of the union, even if the result of that poll might not mean any actual change.

What are you abandoning? Your suggestion that individuals not living in scotland but in some way tied to scotland should have a vote? Why - why abandon that? And why resurrect in an an even more anti-democratic way the same thing but at the level of states? You've simply substituted the state - rotten and riddled with private interest and capital motivations for individuals.

 

[weltweit]

I can be bothered and you basically suggested an intelligence test wherin the passing grade is agreeing with you.

That is not at all accurate. I did not suggest any such thing. What I said is quoted below, I said "16 year olds who know nothing"...

But they are part of our union.
I am half Scottish and half English, I am British. A Scots woman from Aberdeen living in Surrey told me she thought we should all have a vote. Heck she is a scot and is denied a vote while 16 year olds who know nothing are being given the vote because Salmond thinks he can get an advantage from it!

 

[JTG]

How do you know they know nothing? Is that all of them or some of them?

 

[weltweit]

Yet this makes no sense. It isn't right to compel an unwilling partner to stay

I said - quite clearly I think - even if the vote does not carry any action, I think we should be able to be counted, who is for the continuance of the union and who not!

 

[butchersapron]

That is not at all accurate. I did not suggest any such thing. What I said is quoted below, I said "16 year olds who know nothing"...

Thereby suggesting that only those who know something i.e agree with you - should be able to vote.

I can do this all night btw.

 

[JTG]

I said - quite clearly I think - even if the vote does not carry any action, I think we should be able to be counted, who is for the continuance of the union and who not!

Right.

Can anyone think of a better way to spend that money than on a pointless poll that carries no legal weight?

 

[butchersapron]

I said - quite clearly I think - even if the vote does not carry any action, I think we should be able to be counted, who is for the continuance of the union and who not!

Who the frig is the we and all this stuff in your post?

 

[Lemon Eddy]

The only overwhelmingly common factor I see there is Football, not race - my disinclination towards the sport is longstanding, so its not a surprise that I don't have a great amount of their private lingo but thanks to the eccentricities of my own education, I don't have a "normal" Aberdeen accent and I've had the "English"/posh-cunt thing too, for most of my life from teenage years - and despite this and my coming from a Doric-speaking Aberdeen/Aberdeenshire family background, Guffy is a word I've only rarely heard used and never in a racist context!

One example is from a conversation on independence, one from a conversation on tennis, one regarding school, one a definition from urban dictionary, one about golf...but they can all be dismissed because it's all about football, and you don't like football. And despite being Scottish you have a "posh" accent, so if guffy was an anti-english insult then you'd have heard it.

Let us know which bit I've summarised wrong please?

 

[weltweit]

How do you know they know nothing? Is that all of them or some of them?

I think it is a fair line to say that 16 year olds are relatively immature politically, certainly most of them. My son is about that age and has no clue where politics is concerned, his group of friends also. At that age myself I had no clue who to vote for and would probably have voted the opposite to how I started voting when I began to have a clue.

Surely you are not arguing that a 16 year old is as mature as a 20 year old are you?

 

[weltweit]

I can do this all night btw.

Well you will have a lonely time because I shall be going to bed !!

 

[butchersapron]

I think it is a fair line to say that 16 year olds are relatively immature politically, certainly most of them. My son is about that age and has no clue where politics is concerned, his group of friends also. At that age myself I had no clue who to vote for and would probably have voted the opposite to how I started voting when I began to have a clue.

Surely you are not arguing that a 16 year old is as mature as a 20 year old are you?

Should they wait until they agree with you or what? Think about this stuff that you're posting.

 

[weltweit]

Can anyone think of a better way to spend that money than on a pointless poll that carries no legal weight?

Democracy is about voting! although in this case I may have to satisfy myself with results from a polling organisation, I may have a look around to see if there is a suitable one.

 

[butchersapron]

Democracy is about voting! although in this case I may have to satisfy myself with results from a polling organisation, I may have a look around to see if there is a suitable one.

What?

It's not just me is it~?

 

[weltweit]

Should they wait until they agree with you or what? Think about this stuff that you're posting.

butchersapron your line is quite dull really, state your own case for a change, usually you don't seem to have a position of your own. State your case!

 

[butchersapron]

butchersapron your line is quite dull really, state your own case for a change, usually you don't seem to have a position of your own. State your case!

Don't say things you can't defend or can only defend in this oddball way. When people ask you about the oddball things you've said, reply. That's my case.

 

[JTG]

I think it is a fair line to say that 16 year olds are relatively immature politically, certainly most of them. My son is about that age and has no clue where politics is concerned, his group of friends also. At that age myself I had no clue who to vote for and would probably have voted the opposite to how I started voting when I began to have a clue.

Surely you are not arguing that a 16 year old is as mature as a 20 year old are you?

Obviously I'm not
Are some 16 year olds not as well informed as you then?

 

[Lemon Eddy]

I said - quite clearly I think - even if the vote does not carry any action, I think we should be able to be counted, who is for the continuance of the union and who not!

Should your wife ask for a divorce, do you think there should be a requirement for a vote on the "continuance of the union". Even if that vote does not "carry any action"?

 

[JTG]

Democracy is about voting! although in this case I may have to satisfy myself with results from a polling organisation, I may have a look around to see if there is a suitable one.

Eh?
So in a democracy we should have votes even when the outcome doesn't affect anything even cosmetically? We should be able to look at the results and go 'ah right then' and that's it? What?

 

[butchersapron]

Should your wife ask for a divorce, do you think there should be a requirement for a vote on the "continuance of the union". Even if that vote does not "carry any action"?

Her sister does.

welweit, you're into quartz levels of buffoonery here.

 

[butchersapron]

Eh?
So in a democracy we should have votes even when the outcome doesn't affect anything even cosmetically? We should be able to look at the results and go 'ah right then' and that's it? What?

Then we wait for the EU to tell us the right outcome. Then we can all benefit and punch above our weight.

 

[weltweit]

Should your wife ask for a divorce, do you think there should be a requirement for a vote on the "continuance of the union". Even if that vote does not "carry any action"?

Certainly if a relationship is under strain all parties usually have their say. It is usual that if someone wants to leave they can but that does not mean the other party does not have an opinion.

 

[Lemon Eddy]

Genetically I am 50% Scottish, 50% English

Could you please elaborate just what genetically scottish means? I am truly curious.

 

[butchersapron]

Could you please elaborate just what genetically scottish means? I am truly curious.

belboid? Anyone?

 

[JTG]

Certainly if a relationship is under strain all parties usually have their say. It is usual that if someone wants to leave they can but that does not mean the other party does not have an opinion.

An opinion yes. Why do we need to vote on it?