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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%

  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%

  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%
  • Total voters
    175
weltweit said:
All Scottish people should have a vote at least, even if at the moment they don't live in Scotland.

There should also be a vote for non Scottish people to see if they want the union to stay together. Even if it had no political mandate over the scots we would have the opportunity to have our say on the future of the union.

For someone like me 50% Scot 50% English born in Germany, I consider myself British first then European next. The fact that Scotland is voting to leave the union or not is bad enough but that twat Cameron is offering the chance to leave the EU as well if he gets re-elected is the icing on the cake. I want the UK to stay together and the UK to stay in the EU!
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Define Scottish then. Are you one?
 
weepiper said:
yeah, I can't find a link with a picture of some of the tweets offhand but I recall it being all over the shop during Wimbledon, mentioned in this Daily mail article though



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...012-Why-English-support-Andy-Murray-been.html
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Don't want an argument but c'mon. This nonsense comes from his abe comments two years before and is meaningless. We english can't win anyway - support him in losses = only grasping him because you have no one, support him in victory = oh trying to thieve our scottish andy.
 
Lemon Eddy said:
What I take as indicative of Aberdeen was having lived there for the best part of two decades. With regards to the use of Guffy as a racist insult for the english, can I ask how many examples I need to provide before you'll accept it? I had assumed you were scottish , so it didn't come as a surprise that no-one had directed it at you, apologies if this was a misassumption.
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The only overwhelmingly common factor I see there is Football, not race - my disinclination towards the sport is longstanding, so its not a surprise that I don't have a great amount of their private lingo but thanks to the eccentricities of my own education, I don't have a "normal" Aberdeen accent and I've had the "English"/posh-cunt thing too, for most of my life from teenage years - and despite this and my coming from a Doric-speaking Aberdeen/Aberdeenshire family background, Guffy is a word I've only rarely heard used and never in a racist context!
 
weltweit said:
All Scottish people should have a vote at least, even if at the moment they don't live in Scotland.

There should also be a vote for non Scottish people to see if they want the union to stay together. Even if it had no political mandate over the scots we would have the opportunity to have our say on the future of the union.

For someone like me 50% Scot 50% English born in Germany, I consider myself British first then European next. The fact that Scotland is voting to leave the union or not is bad enough but that twat Cameron is offering the chance to leave the EU as well if he gets re-elected is the icing on the cake. I want the UK to stay together and the UK to stay in the EU!
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Say WHY ffs. That's what i'm asking you to do.
 
weltweit said:
Possibly not.
But I and others should be able to express our opinions on the future of the Union!
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Well you are expressing your opinion

I was born in WIltshire. If there was a referendum on Wiltshire independence, should I get a vote even though I left when I was three?
 
JTG said:
Well you are expressing your opinion

I was born in WIltshire. If there was a referendum on Wiltshire independence, should I get a vote even though I left when I was three?
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Heck Wiltshire I could care less, :) but Scotland, that is important!
 
weltweit said:
Because it affects us, simple as.
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Lots of things affect the UK whih we don't get a vote on

If you live with me and then decide you're better off getting your own place, should I have a say in that decision? Should I compel you to stay?
 
Anyhow, they can't have the pound, they can't have the Euro, it will have to be the thistle!
I can't see that working :)
 
JTG said:
.. If you live with me and then decide you're better off getting your own place, should I have a say in that decision? Should I compel you to stay?
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You are speaking to someone who already went through a divorce and was financially crippled by it. I don't think it is a wholly helpful example!
 
weltweit said:
You are speaking to someone who already went through a divorce and was financially crippled by it. I don't think it is a wholly helpful example!
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So, were you entitled to compel your ex-wife not to divorce you? Did you get a say in whether the marriage continued or not?
 
weltweit said:
You are speaking to someone who already went through a divorce and was financially crippled by it. I don't think it is a wholly helpful example!
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What makes you decide to post that people living in a country shouldn't have the right to vote in a referendum (too thick) but that others, not living there (scottish background) do? What on earth gets into you people that makes you think this is the way to go?
 
butchersapron said:
That's the start of a case i suppose. Could you expand on it - say what effect means and where it extends/ends? Who 'us' actually is?
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The United Kingdom is already punching well above its weight in the world, we are already a small union, a small player in Europe and in the world. Scotland leaving would create two new entities each of which will have even less influence on world affairs than the UK has now / had before.

The other aspect is to do with international harmony. In times gone by war frequently raged between England and Scotland, also within Europe war was a regular occurance. The Unions we have created, the UK and the EU have established extended periods of peace. Maintaining these unions maintains the peace. Splitting them up is a move away from continued peace and therefore a bad idea.

And there is more ..
 
weltweit said:
The United Kingdom is already punching well above its weight in the world, we are already a small union, a small player in Europe and in the world. Scotland leaving would create two new entities each of which will have even less influence on world affairs than the UK has now / had before.
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Good

The other aspect is to do with international harmony. In times gone by war frequently raged between England and Scotland, also within Europe war was a regular occurance. The Unions we have created, the UK and the EU have established extended periods of peace. Maintaining these unions maintains the peace. Splitting them up is a move away from continued peace and therefore a bad idea.
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How so? How would it profit England/Wales to invade Scotland?
 
JTG said:
.. How so? How would it profit England/Wales to invade Scotland?
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If we are going to have a harmonious relationship into the future why not stay together, within Europe.

It is a similar (in a way) situation with Catalonia, they grumble that they want independence from Spain but they want to retain the Euro and stay in the EU.

Are these moves for regional independence going to perhaps advance the European superstate?
 
weltweit said:
The United Kingdom is already punching well above its weight in the world, we are already a small union, a small player in Europe and in the world. Scotland leaving would create two new entities each of which will have even less influence on world affairs than the UK has now / had before.

The other aspect is to do with international harmony. In times gone by war frequently raged between England and Scotland, also within Europe war was a regular occurance. The Unions we have created, the UK and the EU have established extended periods of peace. Maintaining these unions maintains the peace. Splitting them up is a move away from continued peace and therefore a bad idea. So, no 'more' just answer that first please.

And there is more ..
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I didn't ask about your view on independence, I asked you why you think that people not living in scotland should have a vote.
 
weltweit said:
If we are going to have a harmonious relationship into the future why not stay together, within Europe.

It is a similar (in a way) situation with Catalonia, they grumble that they want independence from Spain but they want to retain the Euro and stay in the EU.

Are these moves for regional independence going to perhaps advance the European superstate?
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Why not be apart, within Europe? Then we could have a harmonious relationship like the UK and France have.
 
butchersapron said:
What makes you decide to post that people living in a country shouldn't have the right to vote in a referendum (too thick) but that others, not living there (scottish background) do? What on earth gets into you people that makes you think this is the way to go?
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I don't think I said young Scottish voters were thick, I can't be bothered to go back to look but I am pretty sure I emphasised more that they don't yet know their own minds.
 
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