Which urban posters will be entitled to Scots citizenship?

[kebabking]

Much more interesting will be 'grandfather' rights to live and work in Scotland for (r)UK citizens who are not eligible for Scottish citizenship, but who would have be able to live and work in Scotland prior to independence.

Whether there's a cut-off date, how that might interact with potential EU membership...

Its going to be a lot more complex than any political speech can cope with - but (to me) what important is the intention/attitude: Scotland is looking to grow its population, it's therefore unlikely to going out of its way to exclude potential immigrants/residents who speak the same language, who are familiar with the thrust of its culture and legal system, and who's qualifications/work history are, if not precisely interchangeable with Scotland, then pretty similar/relatable.

 

[Voley]

You just need to move here before we go indy and you're in though

More than an outside chance this'll be us.

 

[WouldBe]

If you built a house straddling the border could you get dual citizenship?

 

[moochedit]

If you built a house straddling the border could you get dual citizenship?

Be a pain going through customs just to get to your kitchen

 

[WouldBe]

Be a pain going through customs just to get to your kitchen

And having to declare what's in your dinner on the way back.

 

[kebabking]

Rightmove tells me you can buy a flat in Port Glasgow for £20k, or rent a 1 bed flat in Ayrshire for £350 a month

Buy/rent it, make sure your bank statements are posted there and you're on the electoral roll on 'you must be living in Scotland on this date to get automatic citizenship' day, then get rid the moment you're sure it's sorted.

It'll cost you, but what is the right to live/work in Scotland, and quite probably the EU, worth to you..?

 

[bimble]

Soon as Scotland joins the EU they’d have to welcome me, probably. Might be a lot of people headed there in the coming years for the luxury of ample drinking water.

 

[gosub]

Rightmove tells me you can buy a flat in Port Glasgow for £20k, or rent a 1 bed flat in Ayrshire for £350 a month

Buy/rent it, make sure your bank statements are posted there and you're on the electoral roll on 'you must be living in Scotland on this date to get automatic citizenship' day, then get rid the moment you're sure it's sorted.

It'll cost you, but what is the right to live/work in Scotland, and quite probably the EU, worth to you..?

Just don't actually think about moving to Port Glasgow

 

[Elpenor]

My mother was born in Scotland when my grandad was stationed there. I’ve long hoped this would be enough so

Same situation as myself, mum was born in Haddington so I assume her RAF dad was at the base by East Fortune (never met the man as he abandoned his family in 1954)

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Seeing as it's based on the Irish model and I've got Irish ancestry then that will make me Scottish too, won't it? Plus I saw something unexplained in Loch Ness once.

 

[MickiQ]

Virtually anyone who initially gains Scottish citizenship will currently have British citizenship and grandfather rights mean their children and grandchildren will be entitled to it as well. So the first purely Scottish citizens are going to be the children of nationalised immigrants from elsewhere in the world. It will be many decades before Scottish only citizens cease to be outnumbered by dual citizens.
I would imagine there will be a Common Travel Area the same as there is Ireland so if/when an independent Scotland rejoins the EU then it can't join Schengen until the UK rejoins the EU (I think us rejoining in a decade or so with our tails between our legs is inevitable)
I'm not eligible for Scottish citizenship sadly nor Irish for that matter even though I have some Irish genes in me (too far back alas) however Grandchild 3 (Gender currently Unassigned) has an Irish-born Dad so when he/she/they/them is born in November, Middle Q and Paddy are registering the sprog with the Irish authorities as an Irish citizen.

 

[moochedit]

Be a pain going through customs just to get to your kitchen

They'd probaby have vicious hypnotised dogs guarding the border to your living room

 

[moochedit]

Virtually anyone who initially gains Scottish citizenship will currently have British citizenship and grandfather rights mean their children and grandchildren will be entitled to it as well. So the first purely Scottish citizens are going to be the children of nationalised immigrants from elsewhere in the world. It will be many decades before Scottish only citizens cease to be outnumbered by dual citizens.
I would imagine there will be a Common Travel Area the same as there is Ireland so if/when an independent Scotland rejoins the EU then it can't join Schengen until the UK rejoins the EU (I think us rejoining in a decade or so with our tails between our legs is inevitable)
I'm not eligible for Scottish citizenship sadly nor Irish for that matter even though I have some Irish genes in me (too far back alas) however Grandchild 3 (Gender currently Unassigned) has an Irish-born Dad so when he/she/they/them is born in November, Middle Q and Paddy are registering the sprog with the Irish authorities as an Irish citizen.

I may be wrong about this but i don't think uk citizenship passes to grandchildren (if parent born outside uk) but irish citizenship does (only 1 grandparent born in ireland is needed).
Scottish citizenship doesn't exist yet so who knows.

 

[Spymaster]

Anything that gets me a European passport is good for me.

It'll be many years before an independant Scotland is a member of the EU.

You'd be better off buying a Red Setter, calling it Paddy, and applying to Ireland.

 

[Pickman's model]

I may be wrong about this but i don't think uk citizenship passes to grandchildren (if parent born outside uk) but irish citizenship does (only 1 grandparent born in ireland is needed).
Scottish citizenship doesn't exist yet so who knows.

My uncle got irish nationality I think through being married to an Irish woman, sadly no longer about to ask.

 

[MickiQ]

I may be wrong about this but i don't think uk citizenship passes to grandchildren (if parent born outside uk) but irish citizenship does (only 1 grandparent born in ireland is needed).
Scottish citizenship doesn't exist yet so who knows.

It does (though there are some restrictions), UK citizenship rules are one parent/grandparent born in the UK so the first generation born after independence will inherit from their parent(s), second generation (their children) will inherit from their grandparents (for the vast majority all grandparents will be British citizens), third generation (great-grandchilden) will not get it.
Scottish citizenship doesn't exist but the SNP did publish the rules as part of their manifesto for the referendum. Straight crib of the UK rules plus extra ones to handle independence, 1) Any person legally resident in Scotland at the time of independence, 2) anyone born in Scotland and 3) anyone born in the UK with a Scottish parent/grandparent.
I would imagine if Scottish independence actually happens (Tbh I'm doubtful now) then I would imagine they'd keep the same rules. The one grandparent rule is standard in lots of countries though some Islamic countries misogynistically insist on a grandfather not a grandparent.
As for Unborn Q well his/her Dad was born and raised in Galway so deffo an Irish citizen.

 

[Pickman's model]

It'll be many years before an independant Scotland is a member of the EU.

You'd be better off buying a Red Setter, calling it Paddy, and applying to Ireland.

Cheers for the reminder, got to get my application for Austrian nationality in

 

[xenon]

I could. My mum was born in Glasgow. and two Scottish grandparents. A dislike of porridge might count against me

 

[MickiQ]

My uncle got irish nationality I think through being married to an Irish woman, sadly no longer about to ask.

Paddy and Middle asked about Irish citizenship for her now they're married but under current rules it's not enough on its own, she would have to go and live in Ireland for three years as well.

 

[skyscraper101]

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[Pickman's model]

Paddy and Middle asked about Irish citizenship for her now they're married but under current rules it's not enough on its own, she would have to go and live in Ireland for three years as well.

My uncle never lived in Ireland so I'm not sure how he swung it, it wasn't that long ago, maybe 10 or 12 years

 

[dessiato]

It'll be many years before an independant Scotland is a member of the EU.

You'd be better off buying a Red Setter, calling it Paddy, and applying to Ireland.

I'm hoping for my Spanish one. I've done the language component, have the requisite residency, and have studied for the other exams

 

[MickiQ]

My uncle never lived in Ireland so I'm not sure how he swung it, it wasn't that long ago, maybe 10 or 12 years

I believe you but it's deffo three years residency now, It can be in NI rather than Eire though apparently.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I could. My mum was born in Glasgow. and two Scottish grandparents. A dislike of porridge might count against me

Do you eat your porridge standing up, on those rare occasions you have to eat it?

 

[MickiQ]

I'm gonna buy my way in and become a Laird of Glencoe 󠁧

Highland Titles | Become a Laird, Lord or Lady of the Glen

Buy a souvenir plot of land from Highland Titles and style yourself as Lord, Laird or Lady of the Glen. The amazing gift of Scottish land from just £30.

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This is another of those "Name A Star" or "Buy A Plot On The Moon" scams isn't it?

 

[skyscraper101]

This is another of those "Name A Star" or "Buy A Plot On The Moon" scams isn't it?

Do you reckon?

 

[skyscraper101]

Currently, my only way back to the EU is through Italy via a Brazilian OH but because of ridiculous Italian patriarchal laws around male/female descendance, it involves a ludicrous high court process in Rome and me brushing up on my GCSE Italian. Annoyingly even though my Dad and two siblings are Irish, I cannot become Irish as he was British at the time of my birth.

 

[moochedit]

My uncle never lived in Ireland so I'm not sure how he swung it, it wasn't that long ago, maybe 10 or 12 years

I think a lot of countries have put restrictions on automatic citizenship by marriage due to people paying people to marry them to get citizenship.

 

[MickiQ]

Currently, my only way back to the EU is through Italy via a Brazilian OH but because of ridiculous Italian patriarchal laws around male/female descendance, it involves a ludicrous high court process in Rome and me brushing up on my GCSE Italian. Annoyingly even though my Dad and two siblings are Irish, I cannot become Irish as he was British at the time of my birth.

Get proper advice on that (ie not from U75) Ireland allows joint citizenship plus you probably have Irish grandparents.

 

[skyscraper101]

Get proper advice on that (ie not from U75) Ireland allows joint citizenship plus you probably have Irish grandparents.

Unfortunately they're all British. He just naturalized through living there for years.