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Scottish government coalition dissolved (25/4/24)

Fedayn said:
Which if Murrell and/or Sturgeon are charged would mean Swinney spending all his time explaining and or justifying doing hee haw whilst they did whatever they could be accused of. The SNP.Sturgeon and Co are to blame for this given their utter adherence to the cult of McPersonality and the need to control everyone and everyone to nod when Nicolas speaks. The utter lack of any serious politicians in Holyrood, MacCaskill now in Alba (aye he is a fud but he at least has some politics and a history and seriousness and Flynn being esconced there too) was never planned for because it expected it would be conveyor belt Sturgeon continuity candidates and the membership would roll over. The very fact that serious SNP players have instantly looked at Swinney shows how utterly empty they are as a party in that they look to a candidate who was the leader whilst the SNP slumped in support, but he is one of their own, so he is a safe pair of hands for them.
It is both laughable, ie funny as fuck watching the SNP in such a shitstorm but tragic in that it will have wider, negative effects, on the Independence movement and cause.
What was that about first as tragedy and then as farce......
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all very true. It's been clear for some time however that the SNP are not too serious about pushing for independence and the wider movement may have to step up and cast an electoral vehicle for independence that is a little bit more representative of, and accountable to, the broader movement. The SNP always regarded the wider movement with disdain after September 2014, having greeted it with plastic smiles in the 2-3 years before.

The SNP are currently crashing earthward in flames like the R101 and will continue to do so for the next 18 months - 2 years. Yes it will be bad for the independence cause in the short-medium term but longer term it's probably a good thing. The party stopped really listening a while ago and became ever more in lock step with pro-business Charlotte Street lobbyists.

Looking back to nearly ten years ago(!!) now yes the lost independence referendum was a sad moment and it is tempting to look back and think what if. But I'm not even sure Scottish independence post-Brexit, post-Covid, post-Feb 22 and October 23, really merits much coverage or attention any more. Pretty clear it's on a fast track back to the fringes of political attention and given the magnitude of these other crises, rightly so.

The world of 2014 feels as remote as the world of Florence Nightingale, sadly.
 
danny la rouge said:
Presumably.
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Seems to be some uncertainty

What happens now after Humza Yousaf's resignation?​


Mr Yousaf had been facing two motions of no confidence this week, one tabled by the Scottish Conservatives in his own leadership as first minister and another from Scottish Labour on the government as a whole. The timing of the votes has not yet been confirmed by parliament and it was unclear whether Mr Yousaf's announcement will lead to either being pulled.
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross told BBC News that Mr Yousaf should have quit with immediate effect and that his party's motion of no confidence could still go ahead. Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar said he would wait to see how the week "plays out" but that the "principle" of his party's no confidence motion in the government "still stands". If it passed, government ministers would be obliged to stand down. Only a simple majority would be required, meaning the number of members voting for would have to be greater than those opposed.
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Kate Forbes seems obvious successor. She narrowly missed out when Humza got in. Even if written off early on. Country girl never going to be popular on "urban" 75.
 
Sue said:
Nothing to do with her being a 'Country girl'. ('Girl' seriously? She's a woman in her 30s FFS.)

More her shit views on things like gay marriage and abortion.
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Country girl was a euphemism for the conservative views, as country and western singers tend to say country boy/girl, regardless of age. 🙄

On second thought though, Swinney will likely take the hit. People like Forbes and Flynn will likely wait until party circumstances are better before throwing their hats in the ring.
 
"During a dramatic day largely orchestrated by party managers..." is the telling sentence for me in this decent Grauniad write-up

So the men in Ralphie Slater's suits have decided who the leader is going to be again, and bought off Forbes with a Swinney caretaker-leadership. This also buys the Green's refusal to back a no confidence motion and averts a leadership contest, unless a thrawn outsider throws their hat in the ring.

Anas Sarwar left running tired lines about how it should be up to the country to decide as the press pack thins visibly in front of him.

Clever crisis management in the short term but suspect the SNP will come to regret this fix the next few times they face the voters. Swinney is a key Sturgeon-era figure, a proven failure as a leader, and whilst rivals may not stand against him- this time- they will be jockeying for position from day one of his caretaker tenure.
 
From the look of the telly Swinney's got it....wandering round Holyrood with an entourage already whilst Kate Forbes appeared billy no mates
 
skyscraper101 said:
Forbes has pulled out already

www.telegraph.co.uk

Politics latest news: Kate Forbes pulls out of SNP leadership race

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Tbh, I can well imagine - in my 30's - thinking that being leader of the SNP over the next two years might not be a great career move.

There's a solid chance they're going to achieve pretty much nothing in Holyrood until the next SP elections, and after possibly lose seats. They're probably going to lose between a third and a half of their Westminster seats in the GE - and does anyone really want to be SNP leader while the Murrell trial is going through?

Wait it out, let JS be the fall guy, and take a run at it when there might be something to be gained - she could get the chance to reshape the party with a spell in opposition, and then be ready when Labour start looking tired/crap.
 
kebabking said:
Tbh, I can well imagine - in my 30's - thinking that being leader of the SNP over the next two years might not be a great career move.

There's a solid chance they're going to achieve pretty much nothing in Holyrood until the next SP elections, and after possibly lose seats. They're probably going to lose between a third and a half of their Westminster seats in the GE - and does anyone really want to be SNP leader while the Murrell trial is going through?

Wait it out, let JS be the fall guy, and take a run at it when there might be something to be gained - she could get the chance to reshape the party with a spell in opposition, and then be ready when Labour start looking tired/crap.
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It may be that she only ever intended to keep her name in there with an eye on a post SP election run for leader after the inevitable bad results. But that would be giving her too much credit.
 
Has anyone else noticed how Ash Regan is indeed the most powerful MSP in Scotland as lauded by Alec 'sleepy cuddles' Salmond? No, me neither.... After all voting for the Tory VONC, has really shown how powerful she is..... :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Whilst I am wholeheartedly not an SNP or Scottish/Greens fan the knock on effect on what is left of the Independence movement/campaign is what saddens me the most. The utterly deluded mantra of Yousaf when he says that independence is frustratingly close shows how far the SNP are from reality and ordinary working class Scots. Sad
 
Fedayn said:
Has anyone else noticed how Ash Regan is indeed the most powerful MSP in Scotland as lauded by Alec 'sleepy cuddles' Salmond? No, me neither.... After all voting for the Tory VONC, has really shown how powerful she is..... :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Whilst I am wholeheartedly not an SNP or Scottish/Greens fan the knock on effect on what is left of the Independence movement/campaign is what saddens me the most. The utterly deluded mantra of Yousaf when he says that independence is frustratingly close shows how far the SNP are from reality and ordinary working class Scots. Sad
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Sleepy Cuddles really overplayed his hand at the weekend, making himself look a total idiot, and the electoral relevance of his joke outfit dropped further as a result.

I'm thinking of a drop in relevance similar to "Mallaig South Bowling Club Committee EGM" to "East German government-in-exile".
 
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