danny la rouge
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Will you vote for independence?
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danny la rouge
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Scottish independence: Jim Sillars says Labour 'could lead post yes Scotland' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25859521
Surely in the unlikely event of an independent Scotland the SNP would win the first election by a landslide as the victors and probably then lose the next one if the opposition got organised effectively due to disillousinment etc with all the inevitable cuts and chaos that would probably happen as they find it impossible to continue pleasing social democrats and free market liberals.
danny la rouge
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I agree. I also think that Scottish Labour is too moribund and ineffectual to win an election, and is in any case incapable of "outlining a socialist vision".
I'll read Jim's book anyway, to see what he has to say.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Sillars, ex Labour, maybe just trying to get the red monkeys to vote aye? 
danny la rouge
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I'll review the book once I've read it. (I've got it on order).Sillars, ex Labour, maybe just trying to get the red monkeys to vote aye?
I met Sillars during the poll tax fight, and had a lot of time for him. He put in a lot of work then, and was a powerful speaker. He disappointed me with the "90 min nationalists" rant after the 92 election. He was always worth listening to, though, even when he was wrong.
(My dad was keen on Sillars' ill-fated SLP in the 70s, as I think I have said on the boards before).
danny la rouge
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http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/01/icm-poll-shows-biggest-swing-yet/
ICM Poll Shows Biggest Swing Yet
One of the most remarkable features of the referendum campaign polls so far has been their stability from one reading to the next. Almost every company’s poll has reported more or less the same proportion of people saying they will vote Yes (and No) as did the last poll conducted by that same company. Now, however, that pattern has finally been broken.
In a poll conducted for Scotland on Sunday and the first nationwide poll to be conducted since Christmas, ICM report that 37% think they will vote Yes this coming September, up five points on its previous poll back in September last year. Conversely, support for No is put at 44%, down five points
[...]
That swing on the economy clearly matters. No less than 88% of those who think independence would be good for the economy anticipate voting Yes, while 87% of those who reckon it would be bad say they will vote No.
In responding to the publication of the latest Scottish Social Attitudes results, the SNP Deputy First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, stated the survey indicated that, ‘when we win the economic argument, we will win the referendum’. Indeed so – if the Yes side can win that argument victory could well be theirs. Presumably, we can now expect much more effort from it on that front.
ICM Poll Shows Biggest Swing Yet
One of the most remarkable features of the referendum campaign polls so far has been their stability from one reading to the next. Almost every company’s poll has reported more or less the same proportion of people saying they will vote Yes (and No) as did the last poll conducted by that same company. Now, however, that pattern has finally been broken.
In a poll conducted for Scotland on Sunday and the first nationwide poll to be conducted since Christmas, ICM report that 37% think they will vote Yes this coming September, up five points on its previous poll back in September last year. Conversely, support for No is put at 44%, down five points
[...]
That swing on the economy clearly matters. No less than 88% of those who think independence would be good for the economy anticipate voting Yes, while 87% of those who reckon it would be bad say they will vote No.
In responding to the publication of the latest Scottish Social Attitudes results, the SNP Deputy First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, stated the survey indicated that, ‘when we win the economic argument, we will win the referendum’. Indeed so – if the Yes side can win that argument victory could well be theirs. Presumably, we can now expect much more effort from it on that front.
danny la rouge
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http://www.inplaceoffear.com/in-place-of-fear-ii-media/Sillars, ex Labour, maybe just trying to get the red monkeys to vote aye?
"Jim Sillars being interviewed on ‘In Place of Fear II: A Socialist Programme for an Independent Scotland’. Followed by the book launch itself."
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Bookies are shortening the odds on a Yes vote. Paddy Power is now offering 3/1 for Yes and 1/5 for a No.
In February last year William Hill was offering 6/1 Yes and 1/12 No.
In February last year William Hill was offering 6/1 Yes and 1/12 No.
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danny la rouge
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I'm not so sure of the significance of that poll, however the piece is right about something: the Yes camp is far more active than the No camp, which, despite Sasaferrato 's assurances, has not yet risen from its slumber.
Better Together, by stark contrast, is nowhere to be seen. This is now 2014. If it plans to awaken (if, that is, it has the personnel), then when is it going to do it?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
if I've been following this correctly the better together lot don't need to do much of anything to scrape a narrow win- unless this complacency lets the indy campaign free ground to sway the undecideds in favour of independence.
danny la rouge
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That's true if the polls return to 60/40. But as long as the undecideds outnumber the gap, they need to wake up.
geminisnake
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Out of interest how have you been following this correctly?? If you are getting your info from the main stream media you will be getting biased info.
danny la rouge
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A YouGov survey has found 58% of women said they did not trust Alex Salmond, against 31% who did.
But Professor Curtice added: "The bigger issue about this is it is a single question about Alex Salmond. There is a problem with the lack of context. We know people do not trust politicians, even if they are popular.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobil...08?_=016ec52ec25eabba4b988aeaab58eb7d962c47bd
But Professor Curtice added: "The bigger issue about this is it is a single question about Alex Salmond. There is a problem with the lack of context. We know people do not trust politicians, even if they are popular.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobil...08?_=016ec52ec25eabba4b988aeaab58eb7d962c47bd
danny la rouge
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Of course the media are biased. But it is correct that Yes is behind in the polls.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
If you're ignoring mainstream media or polling you're insisting on getting biased partial info.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
polls, this thread and the main news- not that scottish independence has been huge news on our screens this last few months but I'm sure that'll change nearer to the vote itself
gosub
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It is very weird on days where I've been England and Scotland in the same day in the last few months to look at the media. The complete disinterest in southern editions of the same paper should be a strong argument for the Yes side.
With reference to your earlier query about NO squeaking home, is still looking like that, but probably the worst thing that can happen -becomes an itch that will be scratched again in short order. Yes only have to win once, regardless of the margin (technically it would be twice cos of the 79 shenanigans)
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Good question. The trouble is that the SNP have not published costed policy, and refuse to answer direct questions. I've e-mailed my MSP a number of times re the cost of a Scottish HMRC, the answer is that that is something to be addressed after a 'Yes' vote.
Public sector workers in Scotland (UK agencies) need to realise that after independence, they are jobless.
danny la rouge
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I have literally no idea what you're on about. You have quoted me, and said I've asked a good question, but what you then write seems to be completely unconnected.
But hi. Hope you're well.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
no, the trouble is that BT have not done anything - if BT were making, loudly and repeatedly, the point you've made then its rather unlikey that the 'yes' campaign would be doing as well as they are. but they're not...
blaming 'yes'/SNP for not producing detailed costing and not acknowledging any of the potential downsides of the policy they propose is like blaming a dog for pissing in a lampost - its what they do, they are politicians, they dont do costs, and they don't do downsides or risks. BT can expose the flaws/risks in SNP policy by asking these questions and getting resounding silence in response - but they don't, because as a political campaigning organisation BT is pretty crap. to use that delightful phrase, they couldn't talk a man out of a burning car...
BT's rubbishness is likely, imv, to lead to the worst possible result - as gosub suggests - that of a hairline result that satisfies nobody and leads to the question being asked again in 5 years. independance/union needs a big win to secure its legitimacy amongst its own people. BT are working hard to ensure that its going to be spectacularly close, and in my view, their poor campaigning might actually persuade what floating voters are left in mid-september to vote 'yes' out of shere spite.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I suspect they've decided to keep as low as profile as possible for as long as possible lest their media campaign lest ridiculous hyperbole like the above last line is let loose and they end up a laughing stock and undermining their own aims.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
God forbid. I fear you may be right though. The other huge danger is that people who do support don't bother to vote, because it is a foregone conclusion.
danny la rouge
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Here's the Carney speech in full: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/speeches/2014/speech706.pdf (PDF, 20 pages).
It doesn't tell us anything we didn't know. Here's the summary: "There are advantages and disadvantages, but if the two governments want us to do it, we'll make it work".
It doesn't tell us anything we didn't know. Here's the summary: "There are advantages and disadvantages, but if the two governments want us to do it, we'll make it work".
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Better Together, by stark contrast, is nowhere to be seen. This is now 2014. If it plans to awaken (if, that is, it has the personnel), then when is it going to do it?
My reply was in response to the above, especially the last eight words.
danny la rouge
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(Nice Union Jack colours, btw. Good touch). And your response to the bit in blue is: "The trouble is that the SNP have not published costed policy, and refuse to answer direct questions".
So, BT can't start campaigning locally in communities about the benefits of the Union, because the SNP hasn't published costed plans. (For what, btw? Its first term in government? The cost of transition? The cost of the Better Together local meetings? What?)
danny la rouge
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Good luck? It's already happened; those figures were from 2012.
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