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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%

  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%

  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%
  • Total voters
    175
DexterTCN said:
Come on...seriously? He's a non-entity who's been put in place until Labour think they have a chance of winning an election, at which point he'll be replaced. He's there to make his replacement look good.
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his standing seems lower in scotland than in england - it seems that way anyway, may be equally disliked

i dont share your outlook on it - the unions put Ed in over his brother, not as a space-filler, but, for whatever they had in mind! Likely good reasons tbf, in as much his brother was more to the right
Personally i expect Labour and Ed to win the next election (possibly in coalition) - unless he really embarrasses himself in the election run up I think he'll win it - its for him to lose
anyhow a conversation for another thread that one
 
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Yeah, I think the biggest losers in all this will be Scottish Labour who have managed to make themselves look even worse than they already did. Whatever the result I can't see them moving forward from here for a while
 
JTG said:
The BBC are fucking ridiculous
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Too be fair, the BBC have been a joke for some time. They're referendum coverage, and the people they keep inviting on, are embarrassing. Niall Ferguson is a great example. This is a guy who described us as the Belarus of western Europe 6 years ago, saying we would be the Belarus of western Europe if we voted for independence. Expert commentator there. Expertise.
 
weltweit said:
I want to hear more of Galloway.

And he would have been a better debating opponent for Salmond than Darling.
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He debated Sillars. He was massively hypocritical. The man is a walking shambles, and they are only bringing him out at this stage because the numerous videos of him swearing at voters won't get played endlessly. The fact all they have left is Galloway is a bit depressing.
 
The Scots need to be free - i feel good for them. The greatest thing in the world is to be Irish and free!!:) (although i love my English pals and cousins)
 
can the editor show us who voted against Scotland being free? i think they should reveal themselves (if they havent on the thread).
 
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weltweit said:
I want to hear more of Galloway.

And he would have been a better debating opponent for Salmond than Darling.
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I watched the TV debate he had with Sillars. It was much more fun than Salmond/Darling. They're both old-style stump orators, and it was good knockabout fun. But I wouldn't share a platform with the rape-apologist lowlife (not that I'd be asked).
 
ska invita said:
yeah it sounds like the Scots really have it in for him - any particular reason for that?
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Yes, he's been chumming up to the Tories, leading his party through the lobbies in support of the Tory welfare cap, announcing he'd keep Tory austerity if he won the GE, and telling voters in England the NHS was under threat, but voters in Scotland that it isn't, and we don't need to worry.

He and his party have problems here after this referendum, win or lose.
 
ska invita said:
yeah it sounds like the Scots really have it in for him - any particular reason for that?
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There may be several, I can't speak for anyone else but for me Milliwank is no more red than the North Sea. He is NOT the left, certainly not in Scottish eyes, but he is pretending to be. At least Cameron is a genuine cnut, you know he's a Tory, he admits he's a Tory. Ed is just a dick in a suit with no new ideas. He's got all the people skills of a wet paper bag, has he ever been in Scotland for anything other than a closed/chosen audience? I don't think so. This will not endear you to people. Whether you like Eck or not he goes out and meets people, smiles, talks, shakes hands etc.
There was a wee interview with a guy in Glasgow yesterday, think his name was Ian, and he hit the nail on the head with his comments. The Labour Party lost a lot of support in Scotland with illegal wars.
 
ska invita said:
yeah it sounds like the Scots really have it in for him - any particular reason for that?
i saw a clip of him up in scotland addressing the party faithfull and frankly it was amazingly cringeworthy. i dont buy into this he cant even eat a sandwich stuff, but it he came across as a fake
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Everytime I see him I end up thinking "Give Us Your Dinner Money!", and i wasn't even the school bully.
 
Paul Mason gets it

http://blogs.channel4.com/paul-mason-blog/scottish-indyref-renton-test/2325

So the argument in this referendum becomes about how best to resolve the problem of feeling exploited, alienated, powerless and poor: devolution, with even more to come, or separation.

For Labour and the No campaign, it’s about saying: right, that’s the way we’ve been treated but with more devolved powers, and a change of government in London, we can make the feeling of oppression go away.

For the SNP, Greens and radical independence groups it’s about saying, more or less, you’re right Mr Renton but from 19 September it’s a different ball game, and you will just have to either tolerate (or fight) anybody who is both effete and Scottish.

The third argument – “you’re wrong, we’re a great nation that won World War II and had an empire that civilized the world” – is heard, but not much, and even here, tends to be heard wrapped in the working-class language of the Orange Order.

The fact is, even in Scotland there’s almost no mainstream politician who speaks the language of the people queuing around me: that’s a measure of how technocratic all politics has become.

So the Scottish #Indyref is – apart from being a life or death battle for the political entity that is Great Britain – is also a study in how elites connect with masses in post-industrial society.
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spring-peeper said:
Well, I'm a Canadian and voted. I don't fit in either of your category.
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It was banter. Editor isn't really going to reveal who voted. I just thought it was funny to go along with Cheesy's post.

Having said that, Ska did specifically say he only wanted people with a vote in the referendum to vote in his poll.
 
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