Will you vote for independence?

[ddraig]

Listen to the english now wee Scotts people! They want to know and haven't let you have your independence quite yet!

 

[ddraig]

Seriously, the arrogance of just turning up a week before the vote and saying, right, now i'm here the debate can start properly - off you go.

Or this! Much better put

 

[Diamond]

Which in a funny way is a lot of the substance of the argument from the yes camp.

Yep, totally agree with that, the strongest argument for independence is that.

The problem is that there are really two decions here, as follows:

• The first is - should Scotland be independent?

Broadly, I don't have a vote there, so it's pretty much a moot point for me and is therefore the main reason that I haven't followed this thread or watched the debate with any great attention, or really any attention at all, over the last two years.

• The second is - should the rUK agree a currency union with an independent Scotland following a "yes" vote?

I do have a vote there and currently it would be a categorical no for all the reasons we've seen with the Eurozone.

 

[Wilf]

Yep, totally agree with that, the strongest argument for independence is that.

The problem is that there are really two decions here, as follows:

• The first is - should Scotland be independent?

Broadly, I don't have a vote there, so it's pretty much a moot point for me and is therefore the main reason that I haven't followed this thread or watched the debate with any great attention, or really any attention at all, over the last two years.

• The second is - should the rUK agree a currency union with an independent Scotland following a "yes" vote?

I do have a vote there and currently it would be a categorical no for all the reasons we've seen with the Eurozone.

There ya go, weltie will say something back - you're in business!

 

[Diamond]

To think about it, a "yes" vote would make the general election a kind of turbo-charged West Lothian question...

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

97% of the eligible population has registered to vote. I think it's going to be a massive turnout.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-over-4m-register-to-vote-1-3538499

That is amazing.

 

[pogofish]

I think that lots of people have lost trust in the BBC and media and with the Labour Party during this campaign. I don't think it'll be regained. I think that's a good thing.

This is very true - I've actually heard far more about how people have had their eyes-opened by and become fucked-off with Labour's behaviour in the campaign than I have with the whole yes/no debate and it involves people from both sides.

Otherwise, the whole yes/no split thing is being grossly overdone by the No campaign and their stooges - The days for heated aguments on independance were back in the 1970s - It has for the most part been pretty respectful ever since.

 

[Rimbaud]

In much the same way that there was no chance that I, down in London, was going to spend 2 years watching a regional political debate from the area of the UK farthest away from London, there is no chance that I am going to try and parse together your own argument for you from 183 pages of a thread.

It is really any wonder people are talking about independence when everything has become so concentrated in the South-East over the last 30 odd years that the prospect of losing 8.3% of the UK population and a third of its geographical area is seen as a "regional political debate" not worth paying attention to? It's not exactly like Scotland is a million miles away from London, it's only 413 miles away, compared to nearly 700 miles between Kiev and Donetsk.

 

[geminisnake]

Listen to the english now wee Scotts people! They want to know and haven't let you have your independence quite yet!

Have yous seen this??

 

[ddraig]

yup! bit long but fair play, no cops either

 

[ddraig]

too right, go on Leanne
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2014-09-11/plaid-leader-urges-scots/
'Don't fall for powers promises,' Plaid leader urges Scots

Plaid Cymru's leader says Westminster-based parties can't be trusted to keep their promises to give Scotland more power if voters decide to remain part of the United Kingdom.

Leanne Wood is speaking at a conference organised by the Institute for Welsh Affairs looking at what the Scottish referendum means for Wales. She's expected to say,

In the 1979 devolution referendum in Scotland Mrs Thatcher promised the people of Scotland new powers in the event of a ‘no’ vote. As we have learnt, Scotland had to wait twenty years for devolution after the failure of the ’79 referendum and I would urge Scots not to fall for the latest promises of powers coming from the current Tory prime minister and his Labour and Lib Dem campaigners.

There is only one option facing the people of Scotland that would guarantee their permanent self-empowerment and that’s a ‘yes’ vote. Hastily cobbled promises and timetables from Westminster cannot be taken serious and could evaporate as quickly as Thatcher’s promises in 1979. The biggest risk to Scotland and the greatest uncertainty over its future would arise in the aftermath of a ‘no’ vote.

Next week, for one day, the people of Scotland will be sovereign. With a ‘yes’ vote they can ensure that they are sovereign for each and every day that follows.In the 1979 devolution referendum in Scotland Mrs Thatcher promised the people of Scotland new powers in the event of a ‘no’ vote. As we have learnt, Scotland had to wait twenty years for devolution after the failure of the ’79 referendum and I would urge Scots not to fall for the latest promises of powers coming from the current Tory prime minister and his Labour and Lib Dem campaigners

– LEANNE WOOD AM, PLAID CYMRU LEADER

 

[DexterTCN]

I've heard worrying rumours that the BBC have 7,500 children in a room.

 

[danny la rouge]

I've heard worrying rumours that the BBC have 7,500 children in a room.

When will their vile abuse end?

 

[JTG]

You know what Diamond, I've been aware that this referendum's been coming ever since the 2011 Holyrood elections because I take an interest in the affairs of the UK, the country I live in. I've followed the debate through this site, news sources and through my Scottish friends and acquaintances whose views I have come to know and broadly respect (and I know Yes, No and Dinnae Kens). If I can manage to follow this 'regional political debate' because it affects the whole country I live in then I don't see why you should expect to show up at the eleventh hour demanding a recap of the discussions 4 million+ people have been having for years.

 

[DexterTCN]

And the debate finishes with galloway saying if we vote Yes then hitler wins.

 

[weepiper]

And the debate finishes with galloway saying if we vote Yes then hitler wins.

I wonder if his whereabouts on the evening of the 9th have been confirmed

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...aign-shop-covered-in-nazi-vandalism-1-3536766

 

[ddraig]

bbc news at 10 is shocking! ffs
laying it on thick

 

[DexterTCN]

bbc news at 10 is shocking! ffs
laying it on thick

Ridiculous, wasn't it. Followed by Peston's announcement that the Cabinet Secretary sent him a letter saying the Treasury did nothing wrong.

 

[8ball]

Hope this is on iPlayer soon my aerial has died.

 

[JTG]

The BBC are fucking ridiculous

 

[ska invita]

Hope this is on iPlayer soon my aerial has died.

maybe it jumped

 

[RedDragon]

They're up late considering it's a school night

 

[8ball]

maybe it jumped

Hang on - working again -I seem to have BBC 1HD and nothing else.

 

[tommers]

Ouch.

 

[8ball]

The Groat getting denigrated again...

 

[tommers]

The Groat getting denigrated again...

Nothing wrong with the groat. Things were better then.

 

[weepiper]

For all those who keep insisting if we go the rest of you will be stuck with a Tory government forever because you'll lose our Labour MPs, looks like you might lose them whether it's a Yes or a No

 

[ska invita]

yeah it sounds like the Scots really have it in for him - any particular reason for that?
i saw a clip of him up in scotland addressing the party faithfull and frankly it was amazingly cringeworthy. i dont buy into this he cant even eat a sandwich stuff, but it he came across as a fake

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

They're up late considering it's a school night

The #bigbigdebate hashtag was amazing earlier today when all the 16 and 17 year old audience were in place, and bored, for a couple of hours before the debate started.

 

[DexterTCN]

yeah it sounds like the Scots really have it in for him - any particular reason for that?..

Come on...seriously? He's a non-entity who's been put in place until Labour think they have a chance of winning an election, at which point he'll be replaced. He's there to make his replacement look good.