Will you vote for independence?

[two sheds]

a) 'wee wifey' is not sexist. The 'ey' or 'ie' suffix is used in Scots as an affectionate signifier. See 'lassie', 'laddie' and the Scots habit of doing the same thing to first names (Doddie for George, Shuggie for Hugh etc). Wifey in the context I used it simply means 'an older woman'. Nothing sexist about it. I would have said 'the wee mannie' if it had been a man. Genuinely.

Dutch equivalent is -je (wijfje for female) as diminutive also used affectionately. Amsterdams slang I think would be wijfie so another similarity.

 

[weepiper]

Dutch equivalent is -je (wijfje for female) as diminutive also used affectionately. Amsterdams slang I think would be wijfie so another similarity.

Probably where we get it from. Lot of Dutch influence on Scots.

 

[Quartz]

Dutch equivalent is -je (wijfje for female) as diminutive also used affectionately. Amsterdams slang I think would be wijfie so another similarity.

It was more the 'wee' to which I objected. But do I find the whole objectionable.

 

[DairyQueen]

The defence industry is more than a business; it's political. Watch for the shipyards to move south ASAP. rUK defence spending will leave an independent Scotland pretty much immediately. BAe Systems et al will likely be told the day after a Yes vote that HMG-rUK will stop paying for work conducted in Scotland within a year, maybe even 6 months.

If Scotland votes Yes, the UK government will have to ramp down its rhetoric or backtrack somewhere. The rUK spending will be higher, but more money would be spent on defence in Scotland by the Scottish Government. It is far more likely that this money will be retained in Scotland. I really doubt the rUK would like to see Scotland buying French/Italian (or Russian ) on the basis of a bunch of Better Together politicians' outlandish claims. Not to mention the likely event of rUK keeping some military bases in Scotland.

 

[weepiper]

It was more the 'wee' to which I objected

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[Frankie Jack]

It was more the 'wee' to which I objected. But do I find the whole objectionable.

Why find 'wee' objectionable? We do get smaller with age.

 

[Sue]

(BTW I find the term 'wee wifey' sexist.)

Never heard of anyone finding that sexist before. Auld wifey must be completely beyond the pale... (See also 'wee Saturday lassie'.)

 

[Frankie Jack]

I'm an inch and a half shorter than I used to be.

 

[danny la rouge]

It was more the 'wee' to which I objected. But do I find the whole objectionable.

I'm genuinely puzzled by this. You think "wee" is sexist? Why? I say "wee" all the time, and I'd like to be sure I'm not being sexist.

(I also say "wifie", "mannie", "laddie", "lassie", "bairnie", "chippie", "fechtie" and more).

 

[Frankie Jack]

Please use the term: 'Middle aged person of the female sex not quite as tall as used to be' from now on weepiper

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Ok, I'll explain then.
a) 'wee wifey' is not sexist. The 'ey' or 'ie' suffix is used in Scots as an affectionate signifier. See 'lassie', 'laddie' and the Scots habit of doing the same thing to first names (Doddie for George, Shuggie for Hugh etc). Wifey in the context I used it simply means 'an older woman'. Nothing sexist about it. I would have said 'the wee mannie' if it had been a man. Genuinely.
b) Quartz doesn't give a fuck about sexism, he was just having a dig by deliberately misunderstanding.
c) Quartz is the most patronising person on the boards.

Thanks for explaining what you meant. It would have been easier if you'd have explained that at the outset rather than being dismissive, as people draw conclusions from such dismissive approaches, rightly or wrongly. I'm not commenting on the last two of your points, as whatever you think about this person is none of my business.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Please use the term: 'Middle aged person of the female sex not quite as tall as used to be' from now on weepiper

Why not just use the word 'woman' as that covers is well enough?

 

[weepiper]

Why not just use the word 'woman' as that covers is well enough?

Because I'm Scottish, this is Scotland and I am talking about a Scottish person so I'll use a Scotticism if I want to.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Why not just use the word 'woman' as that covers is well enough?

Poetic license to describe in our own way and understanding a particular woman that was there at the time? The term 'wee wifey' is one we can associate with and picture in our minds.

 

[JTG]

I live with three Scots (from Huntly, Inverurie and Arbroath if you must know) so I'm kinda used to the terminology, slang and turns of phrase they use. Really can't believe that someone who lives there isn't familiar with these nuances tbh

 

[DotCommunist]

its a bit of failed hypocrisy hunting, lets move on

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Because I'm Scottish, this is Scotland and I am talking about a Scottish person so I'll use a Scotticism if I want to.

I didn't suggest that you shouldn't do that - you can use whatever terminology you like. By the way, 'this' isn't Scotland. You are Scottish, and live there, but I, and many other people on the boards, aren't and don't. You are hard work sometimes, you know!

 

[Frankie Jack]

meanwhile..

 

[Frankie Jack]

I didn't suggest that you shouldn't do that - you can use whatever terminology you like. By the way, 'this' isn't Scotland. You are Scottish, and live there, but I, and many other people on the boards, aren't and don't. You are hard work sometimes, you know!

This is the Scotland/Alba forum isn't it?

 

[JTG]

Oh stop being an arse fbm

 

[Frankie Jack]

its a bit of failed hypocrisy hunting, lets move on

Aye. Yi'r richt DC. Nae gonnae gan roon an roon oan that yin till ma heids burlin. Mair tae hink aboot thin whit wie wi'r wurds are taen.

 

[Quartz]

I'm genuinely puzzled by this. You think "wee" is sexist? Why? I say "wee" all the time, and I'd like to be sure I'm not being sexist.

'Wee' in combination with 'wifie'. Consider the phrase 'little woman' or 'little man'.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

This is the Scotland/Alba forum isn't it?

No, this is the internet - and I don't mean that in any patronising sense. Yes, the thread is the Scottish forum, but it is an issue which is of interest to lots of people across the UK for the reasons we all know. Therefore there will be a fair number of English, Welsh and NI posters reading the thread, and sometimes posting on it.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Oh stop being an arse fbm

 

[danny la rouge]

No, this is the internet - and I don't mean that in any patronising sense. Yes, the thread is the Scottish forum, but it is an issue which is of interest to lots of people across the UK for the reasons we all know. Therefore there will be a fair number of English, Welsh and NI posters reading the thread, and sometimes posting on it.

True, but there is plenty said on the boards that is in a specifically London idiom; we learn what it means and get on with it (unless we fancy taking the piss). Furthermore, I make a conscious effort not to write here the way I speak. I say "cannae", "dinnae" and "winnae" but write "can't", "don't" and "won't". I say "no" but write "not". I say "fair forfochen", but write "knackered". Now and then, though, it's nice to write the way one speaks.

 

[danny la rouge]

'Wee' in combination with 'wifie'. Consider the phrase 'little woman' or 'little man'.

You're doing a direct translation; it doesnae work like that. When I say "wee mannie", it isnae pejorative. Ma faither's a wee mannie, and he's weel respected in his community.

 

[JTG]

True, but there is plenty said on the boards that is in a specifically London idiom; we learn what it means and get on with it (unless we fancy taking the piss). Furthermore, I make a conscious effort not to write here the way I speak. I say "cannae", "dinnae" and "winnae" but write "can't", "don't" and "won't". I say "no" but write "not". I say "fair forfochen", but write "knackered". Now and then, though, it's nice to write the way one speaks.

Thass the kiddies

 

[JTG]

(btw, if I refer to someone as a 'kiddie' or similar, it definitely isn't a pejorative!)

 

[danny la rouge]

Thass the kiddies

Is urrainn don bhoireannach sin a dheanamh.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Thass the kiddies

Should I take offence as I've no idea what that means.