Will you vote for independence?

[redsquirrel]

He probably would if he could Danny

 

[DairyQueen]

Aye, Tony Abbott is a total nutbar.



http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/abbott-is-repulsive.323907/

 

[weltweit]

.. In reality, there's no reason that the contract should be cancelled.

It might be that existing contracts might have to be honoured, but I can't see many new ships being built in a Scotland that had voted yes. Why would they when they could support employment in rUK?

 

[JTG]

It might be that existing contracts might have to be honoured, but I can't see many new ships being built in a Scotland that had voted yes. Why would they when they could support employment in rUK?

Are all big defence contracts currently within the UK then?

 

[weltweit]

Are all big defence contracts currently within the UK then?

I believe there are some contracts outside the UK yes.
But I think policy is to build inside the UK where possible.

 

[JTG]

I believe there are some contracts outside the UK yes.
But I think policy is to build inside the UK where possible.

Bit woolly

 

[weltweit]

Bit woolly

I don't think so.
British people need jobs, currently building ships in Scotland makes sense.
But if Scotland goes independent, why not give those jobs to Portsmouth or Plymouth?

 

[DotCommunist]

because the defense business is a business and operates on greased palms not national sentiment?

 

[butchersapron]

There is an official policy of warships not being built in foreign countries. The 500 jobs dependent on this aren't going to swing the vote. I suspect the sort of bullying that comes with it will cost the NO vote more than 500 votes anyway.

 

[DownwardDog]

Are all big defence contracts currently within the UK then?

The Navy's biggest ship building program for the next 10 years will certainly be built in the UK. No final decision on GCS, and consequently where it will be built, will be taken until early 2015.

 

[JTG]

I don't think so.
British people need jobs, currently building ships in Scotland makes sense.
But if Scotland goes independent, why not give those jobs to Portsmouth or Plymouth?

Depends on where the money is really. Not much else to these decisions

 

[Quartz]

because the defense business is a business and operates on greased palms not national sentiment?

The defence industry is more than a business; it's political. Watch for the shipyards to move south ASAP. rUK defence spending will leave an independent Scotland pretty much immediately. BAe Systems et al will likely be told the day after a Yes vote that HMG-rUK will stop paying for work conducted in Scotland within a year, maybe even 6 months.

 

[weepiper]

Just been into a Yes shop which has opened recently up the road from me in Morningside to get some stickers. There was a queue. The wee wifey in the shop said it's been like that every day since they opened and they've only had two hostile people in.

 

[butchersapron]

The defence industry is more than a business; it's political. Watch for the shipyards to move south ASAP. rUK defence spending will leave an independent Scotland pretty much immediately. BAe Systems et al will likely be told the day after a Yes vote that HMG-rUK will stop paying for work conducted in Scotland within a year, maybe even 6 months.

You have anything at all to support this scenario?

 

[Quartz]

Just been into a Yes shop which has opened recently up the road from me in Morningside to get some stickers. There was a queue. The wee wifey in the shop said it's been like that every day since they opened and they've only had two hostile people in.

I still haven't seen any visitors in the Better Together shop here.

(BTW I find the term 'wee wifey' sexist.)

 

[weltweit]

I still haven't seen any visitors in the Better Together shop here.

There was a better together shop in the main street of Aberdeen when I was there recently, there were a few people in it.

 

[Frankie Jack]

I'm a wee wifey and happy wi that. Usually means a woman over a certain age and that fits me perfectly.

I still haven't seen any visitors in the Better Together shop here.

(BTW I find the term 'wee wifey' sexist.)

 

[weepiper]

I still haven't seen any visitors in the Better Together shop here.

(BTW I find the term 'wee wifey' sexist.)

Do you? Jolly good, you carry on with that.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Do you? Jolly good, you carry on with that.

I'm surprised at your reaction here to be honest, as you're usually one of the first to challenge sexism. Your response is, at best, patronising.

 

[weepiper]

I'm surprised at your reaction here to be honest, as you're usually one of the first to challenge sexism. Your response is, at best, patronising.

no shit, Sherlock. Can you guess why?

 

[DairyQueen]

A Wee Deoch-an'-Doris
Written by or for Sir Harry Lauder

There's a good auld Scottish custom
That has stood the test of time.
It's a custom that's been carried out
In ev'ry land and clime.
Where brother Scots foregather,
It's aye, the usual thing:
Just before we say "Good nicht!"
We raise our cups and sing:

Chorus
Just a wee deoch an' doris,
Just a wee drap, that's a'.
Just a wee deoch an' doris,
Before we gang awa'.
There's a wee wifey waiting,
And a wee but in vain.
If you can say "It's a braw, bricht,
Moonlicht nicht,"
Well you're a' richt, d'ye ken!

2. I like a man that is a man,
A man that's straight and fair:
The sort o' man that will and can
In all things do his share.
I like a man, a jolly man,
The sort o' man, you know,
The chap that slaps your back and says,
"Man, Jock, afore we go . . .
Chorus

 

[Tankus]

Heh ....shops that sell "yes" ........dunno why ...but I find that amusing ....

Bogof deal ?....and a free buckkies with every maxipack ?

 

[DairyQueen]

Something tells me you may have had a 'free' buckie with your cornflakes this morning.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

no shit, Sherlock. Can you guess why?

Why should I guess? Strangely enough I have better things to do with my time. I've just pointed out that this surprises me given your usual behaviour in respect of anything posted that appears to be sexist, and you dismissing someone else expressing a view that they find a term you have used as sexist is odd, hypocritical even.

 

[JTG]

It's not really

 

[weepiper]

Why should I guess? Strangely enough I have better things to do with my time. I've just pointed out that this surprises me given your usual behaviour in respect of anything posted that appears to be sexist, and you dismissing someone else expressing a view that they find a term you have used as sexist is odd, hypocritical even.

Ok, I'll explain then.
a) 'wee wifey' is not sexist. The 'ey' or 'ie' suffix is used in Scots as an affectionate signifier. See 'lassie', 'laddie' and the Scots habit of doing the same thing to first names (Doddie for George, Shuggie for Hugh etc). Wifey in the context I used it simply means 'an older woman'. Nothing sexist about it. I would have said 'the wee mannie' if it had been a man. Genuinely.
b) Quartz doesn't give a fuck about sexism, he was just having a dig by deliberately misunderstanding.
c) Quartz is the most patronising person on the boards.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Does anyone have access to the Times Tony Abbott on Indyref article?

 

[Quartz]

b) Quartz doesn't give a fuck about sexism, he was just having a dig by deliberately misunderstanding.

Wrong. I care about sexism. You and others object to me picking up on anti-male sexism. Sexism is sexism is wrong.

c) Quartz is the most patronising person on the boards.

You're trolling here and I'm not biting.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Heh ....shops that sell "yes" ........dunno why ...but I find that amusing ....

Bogof deal ?....and a free buckkies with every maxipack ?

Stereotypical shite.

 

[DairyQueen]

Does anyone have access to the Times Tony Abbott on Indyref article?

Nope, but it is in the Independent and Guardian now. Not sure they would want to miss a story like this. Former Scottish First Minister, and Scottish Labour leader, Henry McLeish saying to think carefully about voting No? Nah, more relevant is the far right loon from Australia saying you should vote no.