Why the lib-dems are shit

[belboid]

local councils? Otherwise he was talking wholly through his arse

 

[nino_savatte]

local councils? Otherwise he was talking wholly through his arse

Yes, this is what I was thinking. Locally yes, but nationally, no. It's never happened. I'm surprised no one pulled him up on it.

 

[ymu]

Chatshow Charlie on Question Time last night said when the Libs are "in power" with Labour they don't get what they want and when they are in power with the Tories they can implement what he described as "liberal values" (sic). When were the Libs in power with Labour? The Lib-Lab pact was not a coalition but a confidence and supply arrangement. In my mind, they have never shared power with Labour. Is he talking dreck again?

That's not quite what he said though. He said that when Liberals go into power with Tories, the Liberals get destroyed - but that they don't even get a sniff of power if they make a pact with Labour. It was a very confused point - as were most of his contributions.

 

[nino_savatte]

That's not quite what he said though. He said when Liberals go into power with Tories, the Liberals get destroyed but that they don't even get a sniff of power if they make a pact with Labour. It was a very confused point - as were most of his contributions.

I was well aware that I was paraphrasing as I don't have a transcript of the show to hand. Though he did say "implement liberal values" - whatever those are.

 

[Lock&Light]

Your paraphrase said something quite different from the words that ymu has reported.

 

[nino_savatte]

Please fuck off, you tiresome wee shit.

 

[ymu]

I was well aware that I was paraphrasing as I don't have a transcript of the show to hand. Though he did say "implement liberal values" - whatever those are.

Yes. He said:

1. Going into a pact with the Tories destroys us (historically speaking)
2. Going into a pact with Labour never gives us any real power
3. We are in a pact with the Tories that will destroy us but might conceivably allow us to implement liberal values
4. ???
5. Profit

 

[Lock&Light]

Yes, this is what I was thinking. Locally yes, but nationally, no. It's never happened. I'm surprised no one pulled him up on it.

There was a Lib-Lab coalition in Scotland, (where Charlie comes from, after all) for a number of years prior to the SNP taking over.

 

[nino_savatte]

Not the same as the Westminster government though, is it? Where the Libs have never been in a power sharing arrangement with Labour.

 

[Lock&Light]

Changing the goal-posts is always very obvious to the spectatators.

 

[kyser_soze]

Being weak can make liberals stronger, so says idiot

Even more desperate than the Glover article...

 

[nino_savatte]

"Changing the goal-posts"? You really have lost the plot.

 

[Lock&Light]

Chatshow Charlie on Question Time last night said when the Libs are "in power" with Labour they don't get what they want and when they are in power with the Tories they can implement what he described as "liberal values" (sic). When were the Libs in power with Labour? The Lib-Lab pact was not a coalition but a confidence and supply arrangement. In my mind, they have never shared power with Labour. Is he talking dreck again?

I don't see any mention of Westminster in that, admittedly inacurate, paraphrase of Charlie's words.

 

[butchersapron]

Gentlemen - direct your fire towards the lib-dems please.

 

[Lock&Light]

But I like Chatshow Charlie, and will stand up for him.

 

[nino_savatte]

I don't see any mention of Westminster in that, admittedly inacurate, paraphrase of Charlie's words.

So what?

 

[kyser_soze]

Brian Brothers, brothers. We should be struggling together.
PFJHead We are!
Brian We musn't fight each other. Surely we should be united against the
common enemy.
All The Judean People's front!!!
Brian No. No. The Romans!
All Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.
Someone Yeah. He's right.

 

[belboid]

you deliberately attempting to invoke the P&P equivalent of Godwins Law, ks?

 

[Lock&Light]

So what?

So your dismissal of local and Scottish examples of Lib-Lab power-sharing is based on the condition of secretly knowing that Chatshow Charlie was only talking about Westminster.

 

[kyser_soze]

you deliberately attempting to invoke the P&P equivalent of Godwins Law, ks?

It's Friday. I'm allowed to be lazy in my comedic stylings on Friday. Plus I couldn't find an apposite quote from Citizen Smith.

 

[Streathamite]

Being weak can make liberals stronger, so says idiot

Even more desperate than the Glover article...

God, the Guardian sound so desperate these days....

 

[laptop]

Being weak can make liberals stronger, so says idiot

Even more desperate than the Glover article...

Is Kettle deliberately misunderstanding "liberal"? Last time I looked, the German FDP was "liberal" in a US-only sense: fundamentalist free-market.

 

[little_legs]

God, the Guardian sound so desperate these days....

i saw this too and was like WTF?! this is right after John Harris' piece in G2 of Jan. 13 which I thought was a decent assessment of the LibDems' positition http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jan/12/liberal-democrats-oldham-saddleworth-byelection

 

[William of Walworth]

i saw this too and was like WTF?! this is right after John Harris' piece in G2 of Jan. 13 which I thought was a decent assessment of the LibDems' positition http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jan/12/liberal-democrats-oldham-saddleworth-byelection

Exactly. Harris's thing was good I thought, he's getting more and more on the ball with his political stuff I think. In that one, he predicted the Oldham result (albeit just in advance of it) far better than various Graun 'too close to call' loser-'reporters' had done earlier.

Luckily though, not all the Guardian's contributors are Lib Dem apologists.

 

[William of Walworth]

More Oldham East byelection-specific chat in this thread ....

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Kettle's article is a prime example of lazy writing, and it is also mostly bollocks - however it is legitimate to describe the FDP as liberal, they are part of the same international as the Libdems, and are an influence on the Orange Book wing of the party.

 

[redsquirrel]

Being weak can make liberals stronger, so says idiot

Even more desperate than the Glover article...

Jesus Christ, it's like they've joined some shitty cult.

 

[strung out]

it's like political homeopathy. the more you water them down, the stronger they become.

all but the most gullible realise it's just a big con though.

 

[frogwoman]

Jesus Christ, it's like they've joined some shitty cult.

It is a cult.

 

[Belushi]

I hope they all end up in the South American jungle with Clegg handing out the Kool-Aid.....