Why the lib-dems are shit

[frogwoman]

So? If that's what people want then so be it. I'll go back to belonging to a small opposition party that helps campaigns locally and nationally. If people want to vote for someone else next time round then let them, it won't be any better under either of the other two main parties.

a few months ago you were saying how there's no point in being in a small party as it never changes anything.

 

[butchersapron]

Just saying it's the British public who decide, I think the Lib Dems are doing a good job and getting a good number of polices enacted for the size of the party. I think there is far less of a fanfare being made over the positive things and far more noise being made by the Unions, Labour and the press over the negative things.

For instance the NUS' plans to unseat Lib Dem MPs, I can't remember them launching anything like this when Labour broke promises and introduced tution fees in the first time.

You just gave a list of things that you haven't enacted. Whilst ignoring the unprecedented attacks on the social conditions of the poorest that you have enacted.

 

[Lock&Light]

a few months ago you were saying how there's no point in being in a small party as it never changes anything.

Hung parliaments give small parties power.

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe the party should have laid out what it would try to negotiate on in the result of a Labour or Conservative Coalition, I’m not sure how that would affect the actual negotiation process. I guess it would make it very easy for the larger party to get more of their policy through by being able to force negotiations around what the election promises were.

The party, as all parties do campaign on what they would do if they were elected, they were not elected, we gotLess MPs then the last election.

I don't care how it might have or did effect the negotiation process - i'm talking about the lies you told - deliberately and knowingly - to the electorate during the election. Why aren't you?

 

[frogwoman]

Maybe the party should have laid out what it would try to negotiate on in the result of a Labour or Conservative Coalition, I’m not sure how that would affect the actual negotiation process. I guess it would make it very easy for the larger party to get more of their policy through by being able to force negotiations around what the election promises were.

The party, as all parties do campaign on what they would do if they were elected, they were not elected, we gotLess MPs then the last election.

So you basically lied.

 

[moon23]

So it's not been enacted as per your claim. This really is your fist time in politics isn't it? Over the weekend there were reports of the lib-dems frantically rowing back on this due to fear of them being recalled by their doting electorate.

Your being an idiot, they are in the process of being enacted, do you not understand that it takes more than 6mths of Parlimentary time to deliver Government policy. Go back and study how Parliment works Butchersapron.

 

[moon23]

a few months ago you were saying how there's no point in being in a small party as it never changes anything.

There are degrees of small I'm not talking small as in some minuscule socialist type party.

 

[butchersapron]

Wow, you're so massively naive. Where are the white papers?

 

[butchersapron]

There are degrees of small I'm not talking small as in some minuscule socialist type party.

You will be very soon.

 

[Lock&Light]

Wow, you're so massively naive. Where are the white papers?

The Coalition Agreement can't be veered from without collapsing the government.

 

[butchersapron]

Of course it can. And if it can't so what?

 

[moon23]

So you basically lied.

No we campaigned against tuition fees, we are still ideologically opposed to them. The electorate returned a hung parliament and we negotiated a coalition agreement in which the larger party that most people voted for got its way on this particular policy issue. In doing so we ensured the policy is preferable to what the Browne report commissioned by Labour suggested and we have a fairer outcome.

 

[butchersapron]

No we campaigned against tuition fees, we are still ideologically opposed to them.

That's why we voted for them. Voted for them to treble.

Desperate stuff from a dying party.

 

[Lock&Light]

Of course it can. And if it can't so what?

Minor tweets in the agreement perhaps. If there is a major disagreement there would be elections. At the moment that would result in a huge Tory majority and no need to go slowly on their richman's agenda.

 

[butchersapron]

Minor tweets in the agreement perhaps. If there is a major disagreement there would be elections. At the moment that would result in a huge Tory majority and no need to go slowly on their richman's agenda.

No there wouldn't. There would most likely be a minority tory govt with a lib-dem Confidence and supply pact - which means that all this stuff that lib-dems pretended to oppose could be opposed and blocked.

Any why would there be a huge tory majority? That's madness. The latest poll results give labour a 20 seat majority.

 

[Lock&Light]

Any why would there be a huge tory majority? That's madness. The latest poll results give labour a 20 seat majority.

At this time, that wouldn't survive an election campain. IMO

 

[butchersapron]

Why on earth not? There's been consistent negative polling results for the coalition for the last month - before the cuts even really hit.

 

[frogwoman]

There are degrees of small I'm not talking small as in some minuscule socialist type party.

But I think that you will be soon, you're fucking haemmoraging support.

 

[frogwoman]

No we campaigned against tuition fees, we are still ideologically opposed to them. The electorate returned a hung parliament and we negotiated a coalition agreement in which the larger party that most people voted for got its way on this particular policy issue. In doing so we ensured the policy is preferable to what the Browne report commissioned by Labour suggested and we have a fairer outcome.

If you're party is so ideologically opposed, then prove it then.

 

[Lock&Light]

Why on earth not? There's been consistent negative polling results for the coalition for the last month - before the cuts even really hit.

I think the greater the economic uncertainty the greater the appeal of the Tories to most voters.

 

[Lock&Light]

If you're party is so ideologically opposed, then prove it then.

But that is not how government works.

 

[butchersapron]

I think the greater the economic uncertainty the greater the appeal of the Tories to most voters.

Well, the polls appear to show the exact opposite.

 

[butchersapron]

But that is not how government works.

Do what you say. But that is not how government works.

 

[Lock&Light]

Do what you say. But that is not how government works.

 

[frogwoman]

The Lib Dems basically lied and decided to go along with the tiuition fee stuff BEFORE THEY MADE THE PLEDGE. How is that not lying? Even for the political class it's a particularly venal and disgusting form of corruption IMO.

 

[frogwoman]

They made this massive pledge and a great big thing about it when they had already decided that they were not going to do it, so that is lying.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Why confused?

Frogwoman was asking polticians to do what they said they would. BA pointed out your appreciation that such behaviour wasn't what government indulged in.

For my part I liked the juxtapositon; it spoke volumes about people's aspirations and commitment to honesty.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Lock&Light]

Why confused?

Frogwoman was asking polticians do do what they siad they would. BA pointed out your appreciation that such behaviour wasn't what parliament indulged in.

For my part I liked the juxtapositon; it spoke volumes about people's aspirations and commitment to honesty.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

I was referring to government, not parliament.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I was referring to government, not parliament.

See my edit.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Lock&Light]

See my edit.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

I think the LibDems made a serious mistake when they failed to say that their pledge on tuition fees was dependent on the outcome of the election. Again, in Nederland, parties make few pledges but declare asparations. This leaves wriggle room in the negotiations which follow elections, (and often take months to complete). Once in government, however they are obliged to stick with the agreed results of the negotiations.