Why the Green Party is shit

[cupid_stunt]

The Brighton bin strike made it onto the main national BBC news at 6 pm today, together with footage of rubbish piling up on the streets, grim.

 

[ska invita]

I've been reading Derek Wall's book Climate Strike. Derek is International Co-oridnator for the UK Green Party.
In the book there is a chapter which goes through the Green Parties around the world and points out the different ways in which they are all crap! Its a refreshing read. He still concludes there is a role to play for Green Parties, but he is under no illusions.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Starting to stink now. Love it.

 

[platinumsage]

Just noticed another bin strike is under way, over your way, how can Brighton and Hove City Council be so fucking shit with their direct labour force?

FFS, despite both Adur District Council & Worthing Borough Council being Tory controlled, our bin service hasn't been contracted out, and are still provided by the joint A&W Councils' direct labour force, and there's never been a bin strike in the 20 years I've lived here, how can the Greens fuck-up so much over in B&H?

That why politicians like to privatise things. "Pay us more or we'll make you lose the next election" is a lot more effective than "pay us more and you will never get that plum FTSE100 CEO job".

 

[Indeliblelink]

Greens bringing in scab labour now.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Pond life. Green scum.

 

[Red Sky]

What are the issues in the Brighton bin strike. The last one was about pay, this seems a bit vaguer.

 

[hitmouse]

What are the issues in the Brighton bin strike. The last one was about pay, this seems a bit vaguer.

GMB say:

GMB members at Brighton and Hove City Clean vote 100% for strike action

GMB can announce that Brighton’s city clean refuse, recycling, commercial waste, and com-bin HGV drivers have voted overwhelmingly to take strike action.

www.gmb-southern.org.uk

The strike vote comes over a dispute with the city’s Green council over their refusal to intervene and settle an ongoing dispute around unilateral imposed daily changes and removal of drivers from long standing rounds without process, by management whim.

These constant one-sided enforced driver removals, changes of duties, crew variations and alterations in plans around the collection of dropped work has had a detrimental impact on the HGV driver’s health and well-being at the city’s Hollingdean depot, and this very strong ballot outcome is a clear message to their employers that enough is enough.

 

[teqniq]

 

[Serge Forward]

I wonder if any party members are thinking they could have at least used a pic of Brenda wearing green?

 

[Artaxerxes]

"Congratulations on not dying"

 

[not-bono-ever]

Why did they post that up ?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Why did they post that up ?

Everyone seems to be congratulating the old lady today. I assume it's some milestone like a birthday or anniversary. I've not bothered to dig deeper.

 

[JimW]

wrong thread, doh

 

[brogdale]

Fawning fucking lickspittles

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Fucking royal rimmer wankers.

 

[Pickman's model]

what was she doing before 1952 then? such abject lickspittlery is emetic

 

[brogdale]

what was she doing before 1952 then? such abject lickspittlery is emetic

hands up if anyone knows?

 

[ska invita]

Thought experiment: what degree of entryism would it take to create a left majority faction within the green party?
Total membership is 53,000 according to a quick search.
Of that number there are already some...lets call them "socialists" in the ranks. Impossible to say how many but Id take a stab in the dark at 20%.
By that equation it would take 20,000 'socialists' to join to become a majority.
It is reported 200,000 Labour Party members have left since Starmer.
If a tenth of them joined the Greens could it then become a genuinely eco-socialist party?
*Ive no idea what internal party democracy is like within the Green, but Id expect its a lot better than the LP.

 

[ska invita]

yeah i was expecting this....dont hold back now!

 

[ska invita]

Talking of left factions in the Green Party, years ago I met someone from "Green Left", an explicit faction within the Greens pushing an ecosocialist agenda - he said he often got stick from other members for being "factional" and told "that kind of thing isn't necessary in the greens" <it clearly was and is of course. I think that group is just about still going - on facebook at least (having googled)

 

[SpackleFrog]

Thought experiment: what degree of entryism would it take to create a left majority faction within the green party?
Total membership is 53,000 according to a quick search.
Of that number there are already some...lets call them "socialists" in the ranks. Impossible to say how many but Id take a stab in the dark at 20%.
By that equation it would take 20,000 'socialists' to join to become a majority.
It is reported 200,000 Labour Party members have left since Starmer.
If a tenth of them joined the Greens could it then become a genuinely eco-socialist party?
*Ive no idea what internal party democracy is like within the Green, but Id expect its a lot better than the LP.

There was a Green Left faction at one point, they all left I think.

 

[Dom Traynor]

There was a Green Left faction at one point, they all left I think.

I think they're still going actually ska invita

 

[Dystopiary]

Blech.



Didn't go down too well so...

Caroline Lucas, retweeted by the Green Party: "Yes, thanking Queen’s 70 yrs isn’t incompatible with challenging this model of inherited privilege & debating alternatives"

Of course it isn't when you don't give one shit for the working class, you ignorant, obsequious, scab-reliant, privately educated twit.

 

[steeplejack]

If anyone cares- this is the Green Party of England & Wales- the Scottish party has taken a much different line, basically ignoring it all.

Not that it matters. The handling of the Brighton bin strike, this cringing pathetic lickspittlery from Lucas, and Scottish Green "ministers" sitting on their hands whilst the SNP flogged off the sea bed to energy multinationals, shat on striking workers up here, and kicking the can down the road on recycling schemes, tells you all you need to know about Greens in power.

Basically vegan Lib Dems with a slightly more public conscience. Fuck 'em.

 

[emanymton]

You might expect Conservatives to resist workers’ rights, but Labour? Only the Greens stand with strikers | Zack Polanski

Higher wages would help with both the cost of living crisis and the climate crisis, says Zack Polanski of the Green party

www.theguardian.com

"Only the Greens stand with strikers"​

Except when they scab.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

You might expect Conservatives to resist workers’ rights, but Labour? Only the Greens stand with strikers | Zack Polanski

Higher wages would help with both the cost of living crisis and the climate crisis, says Zack Polanski of the Green party

www.theguardian.com

"Only the Greens stand with strikers"​

Except when they scap.

I think you mean scab.

 

[emanymton]

I think you mean scab.

Bloody phones

 

[hitmouse]

Just seen this, via Palestine Action's Instagram:


Make your own Naftali Bennett jokes, I suppose?

 

[ska invita]

interesting article here looking at the state of the green party

Is the Green Party heading for an identity crisis?

Loss of established council seats and surging support in new bases could leave the Greens at a crossroads

www.opendemocracy.net

in summary, record number of members, record high coffers, record number of councillors, political direction ever more eco-socialist as driven by younger members, more geographically spread...and Sergeant Starmer their biggest asset
no reason (other than the stymieing effects of electoral politics) why eco-socialism couldnt come to be the dominant political direction within the party

the greens have got climate change on their side - i would expect an inevitable growth in the coming years, especially so with labour right elite soliy in control for the foreseeable