DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Don't panic, there's probably a Twelve Steps programme available for people in your predicament.
Why the Green Party is shit
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chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I just wanted to join in to be part of it all...
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
We're going to need a bigger wall.
miktheword
Well-Known Member
Green candidate urges supporters to vote Labour
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-neck-uk-votes#block-554b635be4b0fd459e538e8a
Here’s a rare case of a candidate who doesn’t want any votes – and may not even mark an X next to his own name. James Parker, the Green candidate for the south London marginal of Eltham, has told his supporters they should give their votes to Labour, Jessica Elgot reports.
Parker, whose south London constituency is a Labour seat with a slim marginal of under 1,700 votes, told the Guardian he wanted to see Ed Miliband as prime minister.
“If you are voting Green in Eltham as a protest, do vote for Clive Efford, the Labour candidate,” Parker said. “If you really feel Green in your heart, then vote for me, but it is more important that we don’t have a Conservative government.”
Parker, who said he was genuinely still torn as to whether he would vote for himself, said he was hoping for Green victories in some of the closer seats, like Brighton Pavilion and Bristol West, but said he did not want people to vote Green where candidates, like him, could not win and where Labour was battling Tories.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-neck-uk-votes#block-554b635be4b0fd459e538e8a
Here’s a rare case of a candidate who doesn’t want any votes – and may not even mark an X next to his own name. James Parker, the Green candidate for the south London marginal of Eltham, has told his supporters they should give their votes to Labour, Jessica Elgot reports.
Parker, whose south London constituency is a Labour seat with a slim marginal of under 1,700 votes, told the Guardian he wanted to see Ed Miliband as prime minister.
“If you are voting Green in Eltham as a protest, do vote for Clive Efford, the Labour candidate,” Parker said. “If you really feel Green in your heart, then vote for me, but it is more important that we don’t have a Conservative government.”
Parker, who said he was genuinely still torn as to whether he would vote for himself, said he was hoping for Green victories in some of the closer seats, like Brighton Pavilion and Bristol West, but said he did not want people to vote Green where candidates, like him, could not win and where Labour was battling Tories.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
It's only a vote you've given them; not your immortal soul.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
p.s. you didn't sign anything in blood did you?
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
I voted Green. I'm in a safe tory seat, if I wasn't I'd have voted Labour. If the Greens get a lot of votes nationally it'll send the message that a lot of us still care very much about climate change despite it being almost completely ignored during this campaign.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
And drug law reform.
When we were discussing voting at work today (& i declared my intentions) one of my colleagues actually asked who the Green party are. 
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Oh sorry, they're not actual strike-breakers, they just enabled and promoted the strike-breaking. Brilliant.
What words did I put into your mouth? Your post gave a single reason to support the Greens, the race of the candidates you are standing. Call me crazy but I find it pretty concerning when a supporter of a (supposedly) progressive party uses such a factor as a reason for why people should vote for their party. If you don't think that is a reason why people should vote for them why did was it the sole issue mentioned in your post?
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
No they didn't. Or Lucas didn't anyway.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Lucas maybe not, the councillors certainly did they employed the scab labour, if that isn't promoting strike breaking then what is?
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I think Lucas will perform significantly better than her council colleagues in today's elections.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I reckon she'll hold it, year ago before the Labour fade I thought they'd managed to take it back but now she seems safe.
TBH I think Lucas is decent enough but the refusal of any Green I've met to deal with the strike issue has permanently put me off them. I mean look at this thread, whether it's free spirit, AuntiStella or sojourner none of them are able to do anything but offer meanly mouth justifications of the actions - hell AS actually defended it!
Sorry, but fuck that! This is a deal breaker, I couldn't be part of a group that was willing to accept such actions - they should have thrown Kitkat and the rest of the scum out.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-pay-dispute-at-brighton-council-a-green-view/
Does the best job I've seen of explaining what happened, and why it cant (shouldn't) happen again
Does the best job I've seen of explaining what happened, and why it cant (shouldn't) happen again
comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
I am about to go and vote green party. I understand your view re strike breaking and would prefer to vote for tusc but unfortunately that candidate is a long standing swp member who stayed in that party after that whole delta case so i can not bring myself to vote for anyone who remained in the swp after the way their party behaved.
My only other candidates are the main 3 and ukip.
Used to vote labour (97, 92 and 97) as i just wanted the tories out. In 2001 i voted socialist alliance, 2005 i voted respect and in 2010 i voted tusc...so it feels a bit weird voting green than socialist but like i said...just can't vote for anyone who stayed in the swp.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
And drug law reform.
hey and maybe they'll also allow you to look at cartoon kiddie porn, thats freedom right fucking there. Twat.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I'm not having a go at anyone who votes Green, I don't think I've criticised people for voting for any party, bar LibDem. Personally I see voting as pretty much apolitical and I'm not going to consign people to the outer darkness for making a mark next to party I reckon are crap. It's what we do the rest of the time that really matters.
But Kitkat and the rest of his prick mates are fucking dicks and deserve any shit they get, and the Green Party as a whole can't escape scot free. Local parties should have significant freedom from the centre but if there's room in your party for those who employ scab labour then I don't want have anything to do with you. And I think it's perfectly fair to pick up GP members on this issue, the fact that when you do most of them seem either to accuse you of bullying or just refuse to answer both tells you something about them and is worthy of criticism.
But Kitkat and the rest of his prick mates are fucking dicks and deserve any shit they get, and the Green Party as a whole can't escape scot free. Local parties should have significant freedom from the centre but if there's room in your party for those who employ scab labour then I don't want have anything to do with you. And I think it's perfectly fair to pick up GP members on this issue, the fact that when you do most of them seem either to accuse you of bullying or just refuse to answer both tells you something about them and is worthy of criticism.
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Bristol Greens are a complete disgrace. The worst sort of beardy, hipster, liberal, self-employed 'entrepeneurs' who will happily campaign to hold back the development of two of Bristol's sporting institutions in order to maintain the level of Bishopston house prices. They don't know how many thousands of people they've pissed off
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
"it was a shit decision, but we were kinda conned, and we're still learning" - would be the least they could say, I'd hope
Lucas defended the council on the bin workers pay dispute in this recent article:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/28/caroline-lucass-green-party-dilemma-natalie-bennett
The irony for Lucas is that many of her difficulties come from her own side. The Greens, who are running the local council without an overall majority, have not made themselves universally popular in the city by getting into a fight with the rubbish collectors, which resulted first in a strike and then in a work-to-rule protest.
It’s a complaint Lucas hears daily. “The council were actually trying to resolve a difficult situation in which there was a huge disparity between living allowances for male and female council workers,” she says. “But when people see litter piling up …” The rest of the sentence is left unfinished.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/28/caroline-lucass-green-party-dilemma-natalie-bennett
The irony for Lucas is that many of her difficulties come from her own side. The Greens, who are running the local council without an overall majority, have not made themselves universally popular in the city by getting into a fight with the rubbish collectors, which resulted first in a strike and then in a work-to-rule protest.
It’s a complaint Lucas hears daily. “The council were actually trying to resolve a difficult situation in which there was a huge disparity between living allowances for male and female council workers,” she says. “But when people see litter piling up …” The rest of the sentence is left unfinished.
comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
I hadn't read anything from you that came across as having a go a green voters tbh...i was trying to say i agreed with you re the strike breaking in brighton and that it is dishonest and shitty to either justify it or to deny it as some have done on here.
I especially agree that its what we do every other day that is really important.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Yep, personally if I was in a similar situation I'd be arguing for expulsion of Kitkat and co.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Wtf? & drug law reform is about so much more than the individual's right to get high.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
do you ever think about the rights of individuals in the context of how they should be able to protect against predatory interests, fiscal and otherwise? No? Is the sanctity of the individual the sum total of your politics?
Plumdaff
joy in people
Problem is the way that the Greens are structured there's little you can do if you're not in Brighton. The local party can do what it wants, no matter how much everyone else it the party despises KitKat. There was an attempt by the Green Left to make councilors commit to being anti cuts which almost succeeded, maybe new members should make another attempt. It's a left party membership wise with a fair few unprincipled councilors desperate to keep hold of their little niches no matter. Hopefully as the party grows the old deep greens will lose power. Who knows, I'm an ex member, not least for some of the problems you highlight. But there's some very decent people in the party.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Actually, I think the individual's freedom over their own body is important, but from a 'social inclusion' point of view, I don't think it helps anyone to dish out criminal records for possession of cannabis or pills. And AFAIK kids from poorer areas and ethnic backgrounds are more likely to get stopped and searched and in trouble for this sort of stuff, with all the implications that has when looking for employment. I don't think drugs should be legalised to allow companies to make shit loads of money - I'd restrict advertising heavily on drugs (including alcohol), as well as junk food, while recognising adults have a right to indulge (if they so desire) as safely as possible.
It needs to be proper regulation rather than decriminalisation - to protect users from contaminants and wavering purities.
I also think being Green, if done properly, is about the least selfish thing you can be.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
all true and all things I know about- the ongoing jailing of the working classes for drug charges is something I have seen first hand, in jail. Of course the med hatch was there to dispense their pills. But single issue 'I wanna be able to do mephedrone' wailing ranks pretty fucking low in the list for me. Lets sort out normal problems first and then we can adress the esoteric
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
It runs far deeper than that. Bin wagon drivers weren't being recognised as skilled HGV drivers, & van collection drivers were going to be paid the same wage/grade. Kitkat was a fucking careerist twat, & the Greens thought they'd be able to get away with cutting the lowest paid jobs within the council without a fight. Well, he ran into a brick wall, & the only thing left for him was to run away. The refuse & recycling stats in the UK detrimentally show what a complete & utter fuck up the Greens made of Brighton.
e2a: Lucas scabbed. She picked & bagged rubbish on Elm Grove. And if wasn't for Lucas, all the middle/upper class cunts in Brighton would vote Tory.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
If you've read recent posts of mine on this topic, you'll see i'm unsure about how addictive stims would be regulated, despite having enjoyed meph.
Drug laws impact on all sorts of important issues, from jailing the working classes to access to medicine. They are not trivial.
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