Why the Green Party is shit

[ferrelhadley]

Now I suspect the man who believes we'll soon be driving around in electric cars charged up by solar panels on our garage roofs will again ignore the facts of the case, .

and this....

 

[Bernie Gunther]

if people are nice and stop doing nasty things, the world will be nice and there will be no nasty things...

The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.

William S. Burroughs

 

[ViolentPanda]

Saw the why the lib dems are shit thread back on the front page and got jealous - now the Lib Dems have exposed themselves as the yellow Tories we all knew they were (well, most of us anyway) the Greens are the real enemy as they're the new home for sandal wearing crypto-Tory hippy types who'll pretend to be all nice then when you're not looking enact legislation for the compulsory sterilisation of anyone who's not a vegan with a hybrid car and their own yoghurt fueled biotech heating system.

So in order to bump the thread without it looking too gratuitous I have two pieces of green party shitness to report on:

1) Green based I think in Rotherham defended Sheffield Greens actions that could easily have resulted in Sheffield Wednesday going bust, killing off one of the few remaining opportunities for working class people to get a bit of culture and recreation in the city by claiming that football was simply a tool wielded by the ruling class to divert the attention of working class 'sheep' away from the political issues that really matter (and in the process ignoring the invaluable contributions made by football fans, both as individuals and groups, in radical and antifascist politics). Football fans are all either apolitical or reactionary so we need to be prevented from watching it by our betters so we can wake up. Or something. (The issue in question was the proposed redevlopment of the club's training ground, at a time when it could easily have gone bust - in fact it was within hours of doing exactly that before Mandaric stepped in - because they wanted to preserve the 'green space'. Not a problem if they proposed a viable alternative strategy for saving the club but most local Greens either didn't care about the club or appeared to think its death would be positive).

2) Same bloke arguing for state directed population controls. People who 'can't support' children prevented from having them and a one child policy for everyone else - except those with 'very high aptitude' who should be encouraged to breed as they're the ones who will have the ideas that save the world or something.

A lot of Greens rely on simplistic Galtonian "solutions" for the supposed gap between resource demand over supply, never bothering to go down the route of calculating the effects of better resource-distribution. They're not closet or crypto-Tories, they're many of them full-on rightists.

 

[SpineyNorman]

and this....

 

[Bernie Gunther]

A lot of Greens are a bit shit politically, but I think it's important not to drift from recognising that (and perhaps also recognising that some of what's presented by the media as environmental science and engineering is dodgy for a variety of reasons) through to dismissing the substantial body of environmental science and engineering which is well founded.

 

[Nylock]

2) Same bloke arguing for state directed population controls. People who 'can't support' children prevented from having them and a one child policy for everyone else - except those with 'very high aptitude' who should be encouraged to breed as they're the ones who will have the ideas that save the world or something.

Wait, what?!

I need to go bleach my brain now... You can't unread what has already been read

 

[elbows]

Yuck:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...er-natalie-bennett-party-pleasant-green-field

Green leader Natalie Bennett paints her party as a "pleasant green field in which we can all pass the ball between each other".

Delegates at the autumn conference in Brighton certainly began by living up to this tree-hugging, hand-holding image as it all kicked off with a minute of silent "attunement" for reflection.

While the Tories tore themselves apart over Europe and Labour takes on the unions, the Greens have been fighting like rats in a black plastic sack over waste collection in their stronghold of Brighton.

It is not the only dispute to rock the party. A Green party committee warns in its conference report that there is a "culture of bullying in many areas of the party and at all levels, which is our collective duty to address and eliminate". It talks of "a number of very difficult disputes to deal with, resulting in some expulsions". The most high-profile case was the sacking of a Christian Green councillor, again in Brighton, for refusing to back gay marriage last year.

There also appears to be a deep ideological split between the "watermelons", red on the inside with a soft spot for Labour, and the "mangoes", yellow on the inside who are more partial to liberal politics.

Bennett utterly dismisses Nigel Farage, saying that waving a pint and a cigarette will not make him a serious leader. But at the same time, Green members can attend a talk on Saturday about "how to break into mass popular awareness as Ukip has done".

There are perhaps more similarities than either side would like to admit − a membership of protest voters, an anti-establishment vein, a proudly amateur streak, a certain nostalgia for simpler times, and of course, the inner turmoil.

As usual for mainstream press attention towards the Greens, there is no attempt to look at their actual policies.

 

[elbows]

That reminds me, a Nuneaton and Bedworth Green candidate was, not that long ago, found to have shared a racist joke on Facebook.

That was deleted (hence the link to Pastebin), however he was called out on Twitter over this, and made no attempt to apologise or deny sharing the 'joke':

Missed this completely. Pretty sure he was the candidate in my council ward, which has a large muslim population, at the last local election.

He is a sales manager at a solar panel company, and this is what I said about his election leaflet earlier this year:

Apart from some green issues his focus is on 20MPH speed limits for the area, upgrading CCTV and incentivising the neighbourhood watch scheme.

Neighbourhood Watch! : Should the council incentivise this scheme like they do in some European countries? Reduction in Council tax for members and a bonus for valuable information!

And the results in the ward were:

TUSC got 29, compared to 28 some independent bloke I know nothing about, 87 BNP, 162 Green, 165 ex-Labour bloke who got kicked out of the party for allegedly shouting aggressively at another party member, 252 Tory, and 1133 Labour.

 

[butchersapron]

Scab-labour local service cutting Jason kitcat is now head of Local Govt for the Greens. His election to this post presumably indicates the parties satisfaction with his scab-labour actions and their desire to extend such actions to other areas in which they have influence.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Scab-labour local service cutting Jason kitcat is now head of Local Govt for the Greens. His election to this post presumably indicates the parties satisfaction with his scab-labour actions and their desire to extend such actions to other areas in which they have influence.

Bristol's Rob Telford, now the Greens' national spokesman on 'Parliamentary Reform', will no doubt be making strong representations on such matters in due course, given how much of a man-o-the-people he is.

He also serves as the Green whip on the Council, but he doesn’t believe in using it

Ah yes - the strong, silent type. Anyway, bit difficult to whip in two other people and your party boss.

PS Does DotCommunist have anything interesting on Tony Clarke?

http://greenparty.org.uk/people/spokespeople.html#Parliamentary

 

[DotCommunist]

No, maybe ask Balbi

I had thought he was the one banned from driving for being a speeding freak but on looking thats Binley

 

[DotCommunist]

He was also a Special Constable with Northamptonshire Police

An ex hobby bobby, wicked.

also apparently was general manager and director for the Cobblers for over a decade LOL

 

[frogwoman]

Scab-labour local service cutting Jason kitcat is now head of Local Govt for the Greens. His election to this post presumably indicates the parties satisfaction with his scab-labour actions and their desire to extend such actions to other areas in which they have influence.

How can kitkat be a real name

 

[DaveCinzano]

How can kitkat be a real name

It's not, his name is Kitcat, which whilst by no means necessarily common, is not that rare a surname in anglophone countries.

 

[Gerry1time]

Bristol's Rob Telford, now the Greens' national spokesman on 'Parliamentary Reform'

Good grief.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Good grief.

Judging by the number of 'national spokespersons' listed on that page, they appear to have developed a policy of 'one member, one portfolio'.

 

[DotCommunist]

How can kitkat be a real name

one hopes that in a soviet russia meme style irony it is Kitcat that soon has the break

 

[SpineyNorman]

*shameless bump*

Cross posted from the why the lib dems are shit thread - beaten by TUSC in the Arbourthorne by-election, Sheffield:

Arbourthorne on Sheffield (Lab Defence, last elected in 2012)
Result: Lab 1,398 (52% -15% on 2012), UKIP 482 (18% +2% on 2012), Con 213 (8% -1% on 2012), TUSC 204 (8%, no candidate in 2012), Lib Dem 161 (6% -2%), Green 143 (5%, no candidate in 2012), Eng Dems 75 (3%, no candidate in 2012)
Labour HOLD with a majority of 916 (34%) on a swing of 8.5% from Lab to UKIP on a turnout of 20%

 

[chilango]

*shameless bump*

Cross posted from the why the lib dems are shit thread - beaten by TUSC in the Arbourthorne by-election, Sheffield:

That's not a bad result for TUSC that.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Brighton Greens & Tories have just voted in the go ahead for a £38 million Gov loan for the i360. Just their 4.25% council tax rise to go for the full Greenhouse.

Utter fucking cunts.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Brighton Greens & Tories have just voted in the go ahead for a £38 million Gov loan for the i360. Just their 4.25% council tax rise to go for the full Greenhouse.

Utter fucking cunts.

what's the i360 mate?

 

[belboid]

what's the i360 mate?

looks great!

 

[SpineyNorman]

WTF is that?

Has the Green Party's Posadist entrist faction taken over and built an antenna for communicating with aliens or something?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

The yogurt weaving bohemian fucks (& their Tory chums) all need rounding up for a jolly good thrashing with nettles & thistles. Failing that, send all the fuckers up in the i360 for the debut lift, & RPG the fuckers.

38 MILLION FUCKIN' QUID!!!!!

 

[DotCommunist]

The yogurt weaving bohemian fucks (& their Tory chums) all need rounding up for a jolly good thrashing with nettles & thistles. Failing that, send all the fuckers up in the i360 for the debut lift, & RPG the fuckers.

38 MILLION FUCKIN' QUID!!!!!

my local council done a budget that involves borrowing and then paying twice the 17m back. All for civic improvements etc but double bubble? who are they borrowing of, wonga ffs

/derail

 

[Wilson]

 

[Mr.Bishie]

 

[DaveCinzano]

Ashley ward's primus inter pares Green councillor (and ‘Assistant Mayor’ under George Ferguson) has had an image makeover - tweed & Joe 90 glasses! - which unfortunately has not been accompanied by cosmetic surgery to remove his vocal chords from his alimentary canal:



Forgot to say - it's all about plans to introduce a bunch of new byelaws that if adopted could - on pain of fines - be used to ban things like ball games, tree-climbing and barbecues from Bristol's parks (which coincidentally is Hoyt's own Cabinet portfolio).

George, having been sunning himself in Cannes at a property conference (at the expense of both Council Tax payers AND corporate lawyers Burges Salmon!) and so ignorant of what his own Cabinet was doing, saw which way the wind was blowing and withdrew the measure from Full Council the same day it was due to be voted on.

Gus then appeared on the telly news defending the byelaws, by claiming that they were just “the legislative formation we find ourselves in” and that when they say you can be fined £500 for booting a ball about, they don't really mean that, and you might as well just ignore them...

 

[Awesome Wells]

I couldn't make head nor tail of this when i heard it on the radio; hanks for clearing that up Gus.

Bellus Endicus.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

what the fuck is that in his button hole?