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There are five years to suck up to middle England and ignore the grassroots - why do it now?
Perhaps Harriet Harman is going to hand out copies of Hansard for voters to thumb through. Cameron and Osborne are going to lie about Labours' record anyway and produce dire warnings as to how Labour will steal your kittens. And voters will believe them if Labour is led by some apologising chump.
 
What a dick (especially bolded) :facepalm: :D :rolleyes:

Andy Burnham says he would have voted against the welfare cuts if he was leader
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-welfare-cuts-if-he-was-leader-10405121.html

Indie said:
A Labour leadership contender who abstained on a key welfare cuts vote has said he would have voted against the proposals if he was leading the party.

Andy Burnham said he did not believe Labour’s position on the Welfare Reform and Work Bill was “strong enough” but that he had abstained because it was important for the shadow cabinet to all vote the same way.

“I faced a choice: did I, having made the party move its position, then defy the compromised position? I wasn’t prepared to split the party and make the job of the opposition even harder,” Mr Burnham told BBC Radio 4’s World at One programme.

“[Labour] was going to abstain completely and I said that was not acceptable, it wasn’t acceptable to me, it wasn’t acceptable to many Labour MPs but also, it was not acceptable to thousands of party members.

"I still don’t believe [our position] was strong enough, but … I’m a member of the Shadow Cabinet. There’s a collective responsibility that comes with that role.

“I would have opposed this bill outright if I was leader last night and I will oppose it when it comes back to the Commons in September.”

The party ultimately proposed a symbolic amendment that endorsed some aspects of the bill and criticised others.

Mr Burnham has said he will work hard to make changes to the Bill in its later stages, and that if those changes could not be made he would again recommend the Labour leadership vote against it at its third reading.

The main changes in the Bill are reducing the household welfare cap from £26,000 to £23,000, abolishing legally binding child poverty targets, cuts to child tax credits, cuts to Employment and Support Allowance, and cuts to housing benefit for young people.

Labour says it supports the benefit cap and cuts to mortgage support but not disability benefit cuts or the repeal of child poverty targets. Its amendment does not mention tax credit cuts.

Labour’s leadership recommended an abstention against the bill as a whole, though a group of 48 rebel MPs backed an alternative motion that wholly opposed the package.

A total of 184 Labour MPs voted with their leadership to abstain.

Out of the four leadership candidates, Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham, and Liz Kendall all abstained on the proposals. Jeremy Corbyn voted against.
 
My local MP, Jim Fitzpatrick didn't have the stomach to abstain his vote and agreed to welfare cuts.

Now considering the levels of poverty and the amount of people who rely on the welfare system within the area of Poplar and Limehouse, its beyond a bit of a joke.

What a wanker really.
 
Corbyn has been strengthened by this big style

Even if he has, so what?

And even if he does get elected leader, he will clearly be leader of a party with no guts, no connection with the people it is supposed to represent, largely indistinguishable from the Tories and with no real reason to exist other than to provide salaries and expenses for its MPs and their hangers on.
 
My local MP, Jim Fitzpatrick didn't have the stomach to abstain his vote and agreed to welfare cuts.

Now considering the levels of poverty and the amount of people who rely on the welfare system within the area of Poplar and Limehouse, its beyond a bit of a joke.

What a wanker really.
Fitzpatrick's always been a ras claat tbf.
 
treelover I see that Paul Blomfield didn't vote against it. Disgusting.


yes, he is a bureaucrat, makes all the noises, etc, it will be interesting to see how he behaves during the committee stage

btw, he is nearly 60, its unlike he will see office, unless its the Lords he would want
 
The main changes in the Bill are reducing the household welfare cap from £26,000 to £23,000, abolishing legally binding child poverty targets, cuts to child tax credits, cuts to Employment and Support Allowance, and cuts to housing benefit for young people.

The cap for a single person outside London/SE is 13,000, and that includes disabled people who aren't exempt
 
yes, he is a bureaucrat, makes all the noises, etc, it will be interesting to see how he behaves during the committee stage

btw, he is nearly 60, its unlike he will see office, unless its the Lords he would want
he wont say anything in committee - he's not on that one

He's also 61 (which surprised me a bit)
 
My local MP, Jim Fitzpatrick didn't have the stomach to abstain his vote and agreed to welfare cuts.

Now considering the levels of poverty and the amount of people who rely on the welfare system within the area of Poplar and Limehouse, its beyond a bit of a joke.

What a wanker really.

He voted for the cuts?!
 
The cap for a single person outside London/SE is 13,000, and that includes disabled people who aren't exempt
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What a dick (especially bolded) :facepalm: :D :rolleyes:

Andy Burnham says he would have voted against the welfare cuts if he was leader
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-welfare-cuts-if-he-was-leader-10405121.html

Andy Burnham is looking like he's auditioning for a Brian Rix farce with that piece of back peddling. I don't blame the foot soldiers for remaining loyal, this is Harman's debacle. A divided party is up there with strangling puppies for repelling voters. Especially one that had a chance to be united and land one on the government Its like General Melchett's battle plans.
 
This is something that puzzles me. At present the candidates are trying to win the Labour Party leadership, not the general election. They seem to have no idea of their electorate. The obvious strategy to play, if you are a New Labour drone, is to give some red meat to the membership now (oppose the government, agree with some totemic policy like renationalising the railways) and then stab them in the back and lurch rightwards once elected. There are five years to suck up to middle England and ignore the grassroots - why do it now?

Because this is a clear statement of intent to not even pretend to care about social democracy anymore. The latest lurch to the right, where the centre becomes the extreme-left. Set your stall out now, because this is how it's going to be forever.
 
Blomfield's apologia for his vote, funny how he doesn't mention not voting against the entire bill:

Opposing the Welfare Reform and Work Bill
23 people have written to me about the Government’s Welfare Reform and Work Bill. I wanted to share my response more widely:

I’m pleased to have the opportunity to explain the position I took on the Government's Welfare Reform and Work Bill at its initial Parliamentary consideration at Second Reading, when I voted for the Labour amendment against the Bill. I believe passionately in a system of social security where people are properly supported when in need, and contribute as they can afford it through progressive taxation. I am appalled by the Tory demonisation of those on benefits – whether in or out of work – and am particularly opposed to those Tory proposals to reverse the progress made by Labour Governments in tackling child poverty.

You’ll recall that the issue at the heart of the debate on the Welfare Reform and Work Bill was Harriet Harman’s suggestion, made on the Sunday Politics programme on 13 July, that Labour might accept the Tory proposal to cut child tax credit from third and subsequent children. Immediately that day, and on the following day, I made my view clear that I would not support such a proposal. It is completely unacceptable that families who find themselves out of work or on low pay, and therefore entitled to child tax credits, should be penalised for having more than two children – and that the children themselves should be punished – by the withdrawal of tax credits.

My view was shared by a huge number of other Labour MPs, including three out of the four candidates for our leadership. As a result of the discussion within the Parliamentary Party, Labour submitted a ‘reasoned amendment’ rejecting the Bill on the grounds of its impact on child poverty and, leading the debate for Labour, Stephen Timms made it clear that we did not support this proposal. I voted for this amendment, which clearly stated our opposition to the Bill. Sadly, the vote was lost because of the Conservative majority in the House of Commons.

I would stress that this debate was only the initial stage in the long Parliamentary consideration of the Bill, which will now go to detailed consideration in Committee and then return for Report Stage and Third Reading, before going to the House of Lords, and then returning to the Commons. I intend to make the case against the removal of tax credits, and other pernicious aspects of the Bill, at every opportunity.

I’m also thinking about running a public campaign on the issues and wondered whether you would be willing to join me – going out to meet local people and making the case against these proposals. If so, drop me a note and I’ll stay in touch.
 
Blomfield's apologia for his vote, funny how he doesn't mention not voting against the entire bill:

Opposing the Welfare Reform and Work Bill
23 people have written to me about the Government’s Welfare Reform and Work Bill. I wanted to share my response more widely:

I’m pleased to have the opportunity to explain the position I took on the Government's Welfare Reform and Work Bill at its initial Parliamentary consideration at Second Reading, when I voted for the Labour amendment against the Bill. I believe passionately in a system of social security where people are properly supported when in need, and contribute as they can afford it through progressive taxation. I am appalled by the Tory demonisation of those on benefits – whether in or out of work – and am particularly opposed to those Tory proposals to reverse the progress made by Labour Governments in tackling child poverty.

You’ll recall that the issue at the heart of the debate on the Welfare Reform and Work Bill was Harriet Harman’s suggestion, made on the Sunday Politics programme on 13 July, that Labour might accept the Tory proposal to cut child tax credit from third and subsequent children. Immediately that day, and on the following day, I made my view clear that I would not support such a proposal. It is completely unacceptable that families who find themselves out of work or on low pay, and therefore entitled to child tax credits, should be penalised for having more than two children – and that the children themselves should be punished – by the withdrawal of tax credits.

My view was shared by a huge number of other Labour MPs, including three out of the four candidates for our leadership. As a result of the discussion within the Parliamentary Party, Labour submitted a ‘reasoned amendment’ rejecting the Bill on the grounds of its impact on child poverty and, leading the debate for Labour, Stephen Timms made it clear that we did not support this proposal. I voted for this amendment, which clearly stated our opposition to the Bill. Sadly, the vote was lost because of the Conservative majority in the House of Commons.

I would stress that this debate was only the initial stage in the long Parliamentary consideration of the Bill, which will now go to detailed consideration in Committee and then return for Report Stage and Third Reading, before going to the House of Lords, and then returning to the Commons. I intend to make the case against the removal of tax credits, and other pernicious aspects of the Bill, at every opportunity.

I’m also thinking about running a public campaign on the issues and wondered whether you would be willing to join me – going out to meet local people and making the case against these proposals. If so, drop me a note and I’ll stay in touch.

I intend to make the case against the removal of tax credits, and other pernicious aspects of the Bill, at every opportunity.

Yeah, make the case...whydontcha...but vote against...oh nooooo
Positioning himself as low as the vermin.
 
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I'm impeccably working class born and bred. My mother marched in the late twenties with her friends to the tune of the Red Flag.

The more I read the more I wanted Socialism to become a force. I admired the Labour Government which was voted in by people who had had enough of the old ways of privilege and tried to change things after the Second World War.

They failed and we got spivs, adventurers and charlatans.

Wilson came along with his white hot technology that was going to change everything and we voted him in. And then some of us realised he was another spiv and a fraud with his mates and insiders. Yes there was passion and belief but it didn't deliver.

Then we got Callaghan and the stupid Unions who fought for bigger bonuses rather than to change the world, which presented an open goal for Thatcher. And even when the country was totally pissed off with Thatcher, Kinnock fucked it up and we had five years of Major.

And then along came Tony everyone's friend who just about destroyed anyone who had an ideal left in their body and who left us Gordon as a going away present, which gave us creepy Dave and his mate Gideon who are ripping the poor and the needy to shreds.

What a vile betrayal it has been over the last sixty plus years. I was part of the soul of Labour. I now feel as though I have been wrung dry. I feel half ashamed to say I believe in things like free health care, free education and freedom of opportunity.

I look around and can see nothing in the present day Labour Party but old- time union time servers or college boys and girls without experience of the world. The candidates for leadership are almost caricatures. They do not resonate or connect with ordinary human beings.

When is someone from the Labour movement going to stand up and speak for those who need help, for those who have to go without?

What about giving a voice to all those who are pushed and shoved about by those with sharper elbows?

What about declaring war and I mean war on the bastions of privilege in this country which ignore the rights of others and think only of themselves?

This country is in a moral mess. It's time a political party declared an intention to change the way things get done in this country.

The Labour Party is the only credible opposition we have.

It is the only party capable of bringing about change for the better.

We need a belief and a leader to do it.


A incisive summary of the L/P over 60 years.

from Guardian CIF
 
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