Why Labour are Scum

[articul8]

You've answered this years ago.

 

[Pickman's model]

you'd make better political points if that emoticon was all you ever posted.

 

[killer b]

I have relatives who are literally terrified of instability, for them their pensions, home and ability to have foreign holidays are sacrosanct.

Are these unreasonable things to hold sacrosanct?

 

[treelover]

No, but to keep them they will vote accordingly

 

[killer b]

Do you agree with them that voting tory serves their best interest wrt those things then?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Seriously though, articul8, are you still under the illusion that you can change the Labour party from within?

 

[articul8]

Seriously though, articul8, are you still under the illusion that you can change the Labour party from within?

Not in the foreseeable future. The question is what other forms of organisation can make a political alternative viable, and whether the affiliated unions - Unite in particular - are willing to break. It's certainly the case that there's a crisis of representation.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not in the foreseeable future. The question is what other forms of organisation can make a political alternative viable, and whether the affiliated unions - Unite in particular - are willing to break. It's certainly the case that there's a crisis of representation.

so you've been wasting your time the past however many years its been since you joined that foul cabal.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

The question is what other forms of organisation can make a political alternative viable, and whether the affiliated unions - Unite in particular - are willing to break.

What is your answer to these questions?

 

[treelover]

Liz Kendall 'will back white working-class young'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/29/liz-kendall-will-back-white-working-class-young

Mmm, devil is in the detail, she is a full on Blairite, she will support benefit caps, etc.

 

[treelover]

Burnham, the shadow health secretary, who is trying to dispel his image as the candidate of the left and of the unions, said there were three areas in which Labour needed to win back people’s trust: welfare, immigration and economic competence.

Meanwhile, Burnham looks like he is going to get tough(again?) on welfare, so a further race to the bottom.

How can people stay in this party?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Mmm, devil is in the detail, she is a full on Blairite, she will support benefit caps, etc.

First line from that article:

Children from white working class backgrounds in particular need to be taught more about aspiration

 

[Puddy_Tat]

"You’ve said you would scrap the mansion tax, consider welfare cuts, we know you want to tackle immigration and you now love wealth creators - why don’t you join the Conservative party?"

Krishnan Guru Murthy to Andy Burnham on C4 news this evening

 

[SpookyFrank]

Children from white working class backgrounds in particular need to be taught more about aspiration

Can these people even hear themselves when they talk?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Seriously though, articul8, are you still under the illusion that you can change the Labour party from within?

He's still on phase one, that of lulling the Blairites into a false sense of security. Another few centuries of that and he'll be ready to pounce.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Krishnan Guru Murthy to Andy Burnham on C4 news this evening

Did he have an answer to that?

 

[brogdale]

Did he have an answer to that?

Yes. A very long rambling account of how he was Labour to his core...whippets, black pudding, brass bands and clogs.....

 

[Libertad]

 

[Pickman's model]

when even treelover asks how people can remain in the labour party articul8 you should think of leaving

 

[Pickman's model]

He's still on phase one, that of lulling the Blairites into a false sense of security. Another few centuries of that and he'll be ready to pounce.

by 2020 he will no longer even pretend to be a socialist

 

[Stay Beautiful]

45,000 now joined the Labour Party in the last three weeks... Yes, I don't get it either and I'm a member!

 

[Pickman's model]

45,000 now joined the Labour Party in the last three weeks... Yes, I don't get it and I'm a member!

rats swimming to a sinking ship

 

[Pickman's model]

i wonder how many have left the labour party in the last three weeks

 

[brogdale]

45,000 now joined the Labour Party in the last three weeks... Yes, I don't get it either and I'm a member!

John Lewis will be chuffed.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Thing is though, it's probably not a sinking ship from the perspective of middle-class careerists.

Unless the next 5 years are actually so bad (plus a bunch of other factors) that Pasokification results, it's probably an excellent time for aspiring servants of Capital to join the UK's "Democrat Party"

Edited to add: ... the 'rats' part is dead on though.

 

[Stay Beautiful]

So there is a bloke calling himself a democratic socialist running to be the Democrat nominee for president in the US... but there isn't even a social democrat running to be leader of the Labour party in Britain!

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

So there is a bloke calling himself a democratic socialist running to be the Democrat nominee for president in the US...

Yeah but didn't Miniwank call himself one of of those at some point during the election campaign?

 

[Stay Beautiful]

Yeah but didn't Miniwank call himself one of of those at some point during the election campaign?

He did but I don't remember if he did so during the campaign. Blair also called himself a socialist

 

[Pickman's model]

He did but I don't remember if he did so during the campaign. Blair also called himself a socialist

no one else did tho

 

[SpookyFrank]

Won't somebody please think of the white people?