Why Labour are Scum

[Pickman's model]

Irrelevant.

toss and bilge

 

[J Ed]

So provide an alternative?

Just a few ideas in decreasing order of sensibleness but all better options than voting for more war, workfare, surveillance and enrichment of the richest at the expensive of the majority from the cunts with the red ties instead of blue and yellow:

1) The Workers' Bomb(s)
2) Building a solid left alternative like Podemos in Spain through intelligent use of media and engaging with people who are angry with the centre-right in centre-left clothing as normal people rather than weird members of a subculture
3) Encouraging mass boycotts of voting
4) Completely ignoring politics as much as possible
5) Voting UKIP to piss off liberals

 

[DairyQueen]

ANd your alternative?

The socialists need to start local or regional. Take the councils and build from there. Cut out Westminster. Decentralisation.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just a few ideas in decreasing order of sensibleness but all better options than voting for more war, workfare, surveillance and enrichment of the richest at the expensive of the majority from the cunts with the red ties instead of blue and yellow:

1) The Workers' Bomb(s)
2) Building a solid left alternative like Podemos in Spain
3) Encouraging mass boycotts of voting
4) Completely ignoring politics as much as possible
5) Voting UKIP to piss off liberals

6) organising within your own community

 

[Lo Siento.]

ANd your alternative?

Not actively voting for them would be a start.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Voting Labour = Voting Tory.

Voting Labour= voting Labour
Voting Tory = voting Tory.

I don't accept they are exactly identical. You can keep your tinfoil hat.

 

[DotCommunist]

The socialists need to start local. Take the councils and build from there. Cut out Westminster.

when militant did that in liverpool the Labour Party knifed them in the back. Thats how great labour are wells.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Not actively voting for them would be a start.

But by not voting you are actively voting them in. That's the problem. The system doesn't reognise a no vote. At best you have ahung parliament which is no better.

 

[Pickman's model]

Voting Labour= voting Labour
Voting Tory = voting Tory.

I don't accept they are exactly identical. You can keep your tinfoil hat.

of course they aren't exactly identical. miliband is not cameron, balls is not osborne. all they differ on is how to shaft us.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Irrelevant.

My experience of the last Labour government is irrelevant to whether I should vote for another one?

 

[J Ed]

Voting Labour= voting Labour
Voting Tory = voting Tory.

I don't accept they are exactly identical. You can keep your tinfoil hat.

Can you give us a few examples of how Labour will be better than the Tories since they are already promising to be worse?

 

[Pickman's model]

But by not voting you are actively voting them in. That's the problem. The system doesn't reognise a no vote. At best you have ahung parliament which is no better.

if the last 20 years are irrelevant then on what do you base your opposition to the conservative and unionist party?

 

[Awesome Wells]

when militant did that in liverpool the Labour Party knifed them in the back. Thats how great labour are wells.

I didn't say the things to which you are responding.

I also didn't say labour are great, 'communist'.

 

[Lo Siento.]

But by not voting you are actively voting them in. That's the problem. The system doesn't reognise a no vote. At best you have ahung parliament which is no better.

By voting for Labour you're voting for a Labour government. Which I do not want.

 

[Pickman's model]

Can you give us a few examples of how Labour will be better than the Tories since they are already promising to be worse?

they'll whisper sweet nothings while they wield the axe.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Can you give us a few examples of how Labour will be better than the Tories since they are already promising to be worse?

answered elsewhere.

 

[Awesome Wells]

By voting for Labour you're voting for a Labour government. Which I do not want.

Great, provide an alternative then.

 

[DairyQueen]

when militant did that in liverpool the Labour Party knifed them in the back. Thats how great labour are wells.

Who needs Labour? The issue with the socialists is not unity but co-ordination. One rule: don't cannabilise each other chasing a few votes.

EDIT: Maybe Rule Two: don't bother with Westminster.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Id' rather give my vote to a party that's at least promising to repeal the Bedroom Tax and the Health and Social Care bill. They might not. At least there's a chance, which is more than you'll get from the tories who will just make things even worse.

 

[J Ed]

BTW has anyone actually looked much into what Labour Left groups like the LRC are actually about? These people are my favourites, they simultaneously support Ed Miliband and Kim Jong-Un. Labour is happy to let people like that carry bags for them cos they know that they can have fuck all influence in the party, THAT is what they think about people trying to reclaim the party and they are right. That is how relaxed they are but good luck with your harmful fool's errand.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Great, provide an alternative then.

The alternative to self-destructive behaviour is stopping, surely?

 

[DotCommunist]

I didn't say the things to which you are responding.

I know, I was pointing it out to show what does happen to genuine socialist tendencies in labour

 

[Awesome Wells]

Just a few ideas in decreasing order of sensibleness but all better options than voting for more war, workfare, surveillance and enrichment of the richest at the expensive of the majority from the cunts with the red ties instead of blue and yellow:

1) The Workers' Bomb(s)
2) Building a solid left alternative like Podemos in Spain through intelligent use of media and engaging with people who are angry with the centre-right in centre-left clothing as normal people rather than weird members of a subculture
3) Encouraging mass boycotts of voting
4) Completely ignoring politics as much as possible
5) Voting UKIP to piss off liberals

Most of those are long term options. I am not arguing against campaigning for long term change on a more fundamental level.

you won't encouarge tory voters not to vote so all you will get is the outcome i explained above.

 

[J Ed]

Id' rather give my vote to a party that's at least promising to repeal the Bedroom Tax and the Health and Social Care bill. They might not. At least there's a chance, which is more than you'll get from the tories who will just make things even worse.

Without New Labour's stealth privatisation we would never be in the dangerous position we are now in regards to health and the bedroom tax was a Labour proposal in the first place.

 

[DotCommunist]

depressing thought of the day- the only party left of Labour to take a seat from them while labour are in opposition for the last 90 odd years is RESPECT

 

[DotCommunist]

Who needs Labour? The issue with the socialists is not unity but co-ordination. One rule: don't cannabilise each other chasing a few votes.

EDIT: Maybe Rule Two: don't bother with Westminster.

true. the problem (for us) with fptp is that it forces people into a very broad tent.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Most of those are long term options. I am not arguing against campaigning for long term change on a more fundamental level.

you won't encouarge tory voters not to vote so all you will get is the outcome i explained above.

What constituency do you live in btw? In about 550 of them this debate is academic anyway

 

[Awesome Wells]

Without New Labour's stealth privatisation we would never be in the dangerous position we are now in regards to health and the bedroom tax was a Labour proposal in the first place.

All these things were enacted by this government. Not labour.

Arguing that the tories took apart the NHS on a lie because of Labour is spurious nonsense.

 

[Favelado]

unless you can show me exactly where the labour party differs radically on policy- where it hasn't 'me-tood' a recent anti w/c tory initiative or election pledge than I rather think it is you who are voting tory.

Exactly. I'm moderate enough to be swayed by Labour policy if it goes anywhere near socialist territory. They can't even offer the most basic things to the soft-left electorate. Put the utilities in public hands? NO. Renationalise a few choo-choos? NO. Promise to make sure poor people are provided with a decent basic income and stuck up for in the media? NO.

I'm so mild I bet they could buy me off by just doing the above if it got the Tories out, but today's Labour can't do even the most gentle bit of socialism. They're cunts. They're shit. They stand for nothing. What is Labour party policy? It's not even coherent. It's an amorphous blob of fear and cowardice.

 

[DairyQueen]

true. the problem (for us) with fptp is that it forces people into a very broad tent.

... and the 'Awesome Wells' paradox if you don't vote for a cunt you'll get an even bigger one.