Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Don't guess, look at all the evidence. Where's Nate Silver when we need him?
Why Labour are Scum
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Don't guess, look at all the evidence. Where's Nate Silver when we need him?
So tell me genius, what would we have ?
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
but... but... we're Britain... food riots, poverty... it doesn't happen here.
I don't know that reference and despite this evidence I still see no reason to think the Tories won't be worse still. Look at the evidence there.
If the Tories get in again say bye, bye to the welfare state, goodnight to unemployment money, goodbye to the NHS and all the rest. 100x worse then labour.
You are seriously comparing the political possibilities of Britain and the middle east, lol.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Nate Silver predicted the US election results very well indeed. Actually, 2010 UK not so well.
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
If there is a genuine desire by right-wingers in Westminster to
who the fuck knows what will happen?
None on here, that's certain.
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Have faith in Ed Balls. He can't even work Twitter for fuck sake, and you're asking us to campaign for him to be chancellor.
No difference between Labour and the Tories, are you sure ?
Life sentence's for people who work and claim dole, break housing benefit rules etc.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24104743
Benefit cheats in England and Wales could face longer jail terms of up to 10 years, following new guidance from the director of public prosecutions.
Life sentence's for people who work and claim dole, break housing benefit rules etc.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24104743
Benefit cheats in England and Wales could face longer jail terms of up to 10 years, following new guidance from the director of public prosecutions.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
That's your best effort at pointing out the apparent differences between the two parties?
That's your best effort at pointing out the apparent differences between the two parties?
You obviously have never lived in the real world.
Don't think you would be saying that if trying to scrape by signing on, doing the odd boot sale to make ends meet and potentially facing a long jail sentence if caught. That's the reality for many people.
Your reality is pontificating with mock disdain.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Absolute bollocks. If you actually think that's true you have no idea how capitalism works. A fantastic irony given that you're telling everyone to get into the real world.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
you're fucking priceless!
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
It's just an attempt by the Tories to be seen to be hard on benefit fraud. Labour will probably beat them to the punch. The chance for them to show the deserving poor how hard they are on 'junkies' and 'lazy folk' (or, rather, the sick and unemployed) will be too juicy too miss.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
That's the Labour supporting former DPP then?
Another pro Tory post, No Labour have condemned it.Its not an attempt, its reality.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Why the fuck do you think social security exists?
Your abstract egotistical nonsense does not put bread on the table of struggling people.
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Last month
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27911518
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26506522
So the Tories don't pay them, Labour will pay 'them'.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
Why are they always screwing those who need it? Greed, selfish politics, class hate.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
No come on. Tell me why you think it exists. Nothing abstract about that question it's a straightforward question. Why do you, Kalfindin, think the social security system exists?
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Why did they bring it in in the first place?
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
You sure you're not in the SWP?
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
As I understand it because you had a load of battle hardened proles coming back from the war and they needed to have concessions to prevent a ruling class downfall. Why do you think the NHS and welfare state was set up?
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
The BBC article you linked to. The DPP making the proposal is a Labour supporter. Any thoughts?
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Yeah more or less. Don't forget the beginnings of it happened much earlier.
The point I'm getting at is it's needed and all this toss about 'kiss goodbye to the welfare state' spouted by the labour hacks wells and kalfindin is just that, toss. Sure they'll strip it back further, privatise it and so on but to say they'll just do away with it is pure bollocks. Social security isn't just cash payments and the NHS it's public education and a whole host of other services too numerous to list. What hacks like wells and Kalfindin are trying to do is say 'oooh, vote labour because they'll be less harmful' despite a whole wealth of evidence to the contrary. Social security is a class buy off that serves the ruling class because it keeps their workers just about healthy enough, fed enough and educated enough to do the shitty jobs. If it didn't serve that function it would've been done away with long ago, in fact probably wouldn't have been brought in at all.
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Cutting it too much could be disastrous. I doubt either Ed Balls or George Osbourne have magically worked out some 'tolerable' level of welfare spending that will keep the proles happy, so we will get a bit of trial and error.
EDIT: I know the USA goes by some minimum amount required to survive, or something similar. Will fish out the article...
EDIT: I know the USA goes by some minimum amount required to survive, or something similar. Will fish out the article...
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