Why do BMW and Audi owners often seem to drive like idiots?

[sleaterkinney]

Cyclists have proper fucked up the countryside where I live. They don’t care about things like SSSIs or ground nesting birds, showing no respect for where bike paths are and, importantly, are not. Plus they all drive to where they want to start cycling from, fucking that up too.

And that’s the mountain bikers. The road cyclists are even worse.

It’s a filthy, antisocial habit.

If they're out enjoying the countryside then that's a good thing. And don't moan about a few eggs when cars have wrecked the countryside.

 

[existentialist]

I checked the whole article and they definitely implied Corsa drivers are A OK

What car do you drive, weltweit?

 

[SpookyFrank]

The self is an ongoing process of creation, not something that just arrived fully-formed and stays static. And it sediments precisely because every time you take a decision in accordance with your self-model, you reinforce that model.

But you described this purely in terms of consumer capitalism. Most of our choices are not about purchases, and non-consumer choices will be the ones with the emotional resonance and ongoing consequences needed to affect long-term changes in psychology.

 

[kabbes]

If they're out enjoying the countryside then that's a good thing. And don't moan about a few eggs when cars have wrecked the countryside.

If they're out wrecking the countryside then it's not.

And this "don't moan about a few eggs" attitude is exactly what I'm talking about. Who cares if a few red-listed birds go extinct in the UK, hey?

 

[SpookyFrank]

I do think it's a dialectic. Like I had a mate who fell into being an estate agent and now he's a prick

I would argue that this is not something you fall into without at least having some prior ambivalence to the prospect of becoming a prick.

 

[kabbes]

But you described this purely in terms of consumer capitalism. Most of our choices are not about purchases, and non-consumer choices will be the ones with the emotional resonance and ongoing consequences needed to affect long-term changes in psychology.

I never said it was purely about consumer capitalism. I said that in consumer capitalism, all consumption acts to create the self, not just the purchase of cars. I never said the self had no creation other than through consumption.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I would argue that this is not something you fall into without at least having some prior ambivalence to the prospect of becoming a prick.

Honestly he was sound, wreck head, great lad. He took an admin job at an estate agents and the rest is history. It happens.

 

[SpookyFrank]

If they're out wrecking the countryside then it's not.

And this "don't moan about a few eggs" attitude is exactly what I'm talking about. Who cares if a few red-listed birds go extinct in the UK, hey?

Unless the birds are nesting in the road, in which case cars are probably still the bigger threat, they're safe from my bike tyres. People on foot, and especially dog walkers, are more likely to disturb ground nesting birds than mountain bikers because mountain bikers generally stick to existing trails or at least places where there isn't a lot of ground cover.

 

[Spymaster]

Dragging this back to the point of the thread, wankers are not created by the act of buying a silly car, silly cars are bought by pre-existing wankers.

Totally disagree. I was a tiny bit of a wanker in my early 20s whilst driving a variety of humdrum cars, although I had a lot of fast bikes. I was into my 30s when I started driving proper Mercs, BMWs and Porsches, and I've definitely become far more wanky since.

Your theory holds for Bahnhoff though. He is a born wanker.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Unless the birds are nesting in the road, in which case cars are probably still the bigger threat, they're safe from my bike tyres. People on foot, and especially dog walkers, are more likely to disturb ground nesting birds than mountain bikers because mountain bikers generally stick to existing trails or at least places where there isn't a lot of ground cover.

You have clearly never been to Holmbury Hill then.

 

[sleaterkinney]

I've got bicycles with drop handlebars wear lycra etc. Its great fun and a great hobby.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I've got bicycles with drop handlebars wear lycra etc. Its great fun and a great hobby.

Enjoy showing off your package to all and sundry, huh?

 

[8ball]

People don't wander into Lidl, buy a few things at random, then find out what they went in for by looking in their bag.

I think I may have been doing shopping wrong.

 

[8ball]

Yes, 200 is probably a bit too fast for the road.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I have drop handlebars, great going down hills, you can just rest on top on flats

 

[sleaterkinney]

If they're out wrecking the countryside then it's not.

And this "don't moan about a few eggs" attitude is exactly what I'm talking about. Who cares if a few red-listed birds go extinct in the UK, hey?

Why are they red listed in the first place?

 

[Spymaster]

I've got bicycles with drop handlebars wear lycra etc.

Is your surname Savil?

 

[kabbes]

Unless the birds are nesting in the road, in which case cars are probably still the bigger threat, they're safe from my bike tyres.

I'm obviously not talking about road cyclists there. Road cyclists cause a tonne of problems for completely other reasons.

People on foot, and especially dog walkers, are more likely to disturb ground nesting birds than mountain bikers because mountain bikers generally stick to existing trails or at least places where there isn't a lot of ground cover.

This is not remotely true, as you'd have seen if you read my post. Mountain bikers are making so many illegal trails that the forestry commission have had to apply for government funding for extra full time wardens to try to prevent it and the National Trust are tearing their hair out trying to put up signs appealing to people to not be pricks. Meanwhile, historic sites have had to be fenced off because mountain bikers were ripping things up to make exciting trails for themselves. The mountain bikers are systematically destroying the environment like some kind of plague.

 

[kabbes]

Why are they red listed in the first place?

Destruction of their habitat. So it's probably best that their remaining habitat is not fucked by bikers who "don't care about a few eggs", hey?

 

[not-bono-ever]

It's not easy, even on the A-bahn. You need a car that's well weapon and a benign combination of weather and traffic. The ones in the east are less crowded. The A9 from Berlin to Leipzig was always the venue for my VNE runs. I never got the double ton though.

160 for me and it got a bit edgy over 140

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm obviously not talking about road cyclists there. Road cyclists cause a tonne of problems for completely other reasons.

Such as? And given the context of the thread, let's limit ourselves to problems worse than those caused by motorists, or uniquely caused by cyclists shall we? Good luck.

 

[SpookyFrank]

You have clearly never been to Holmbury Hill then.

It appears to be in Surrey. So it's hardly a surprise if there are some wankers about.

 

[kabbes]

Such as? And given the context of the thread, let's limit ourselves to problems worse than those caused by motorists, or uniquely caused by cyclists shall we? Good luck.

Oh, the wanker road drivers are a fucking disaster. But that doesn't mean that the hobbyist cyclists aren't (also) injuring people, shouting at people, pissing in people's front gardens, throwing energy bar wrappers all over the place, being noisy at 7am and so on. The roadies aren't an environmental problem but they are a social one.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It appears to be in Surrey. So it's hardly a surprise if there are some wankers about.

You appear to have a massive inferiority complex and anger issues. What is it you do for a living?

 

[Ax^]

you can get a m series racing bicycle

stuff I did not know this morning

 

[sleaterkinney]

Is your surname Savil?

Wtf?

 

[Spymaster]

you can get a m series racing bicycle

Fucking, fucking, fuck.

Anyone want to buy some cars?

 

[Spymaster]

Wtf?

Jimmy Savil was a lycra wearing cycling enthusiast. Just wondered if you were related.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Jimmy Savil was a lycra wearing cycling enthusiast. Just wondered if you were related.

Didn't think you were that much of a scumbag tbh.

 

[DownwardDog]

I checked the whole article and they definitely implied Corsa drivers are A OK

Any trip to a McDonalds car park on a Friday night could have told you that.