Who will be the next Labour leader?

[Don Troooomp]

It's becoming pretty obvious Corbyn is far from popular among the UK population and is very probably the single biggest reason Labour is doing so badly.
Assuming (not that big an assumption given the bloody terrible looking polls) the Tories take the election in a landslide, or at least a large majority, who will be the next leader when Corbyn is forced out?

I've added a visible poll - Perhaps you'd like to vote and explain why in the thread

 

[Don Troooomp]

I like Kier, much of his appeal being his pro-EU stance (and voting record), positive opinions on gay rights and same sex marriage, and his general attitude to things. There are a couple of things I'm not too sure about, especially Trident, but I was impressed with his ability to say his piece on difficult and emotional subjects such as euthanasia.
He comes over well in front of a camera, is clearly a very bright bloke, and someone who could well make an excellent party leader - A man who could take Labour into a future election and win.

 

[Calamity1971]

Do one, you prick .

Perhaps you'd like to vote and explain why in the thread

Nah.

 

[Don Troooomp]

Time to forget Tom

 

[kabbes]

It's becoming pretty obvious Corbyn is ... very probably the single biggest reason Labour is doing so badly.

So obvious and yet you’ve been completely unable to provide any coherent evidence for it across multiple threads of being asked for this.

Here’s something obvious: Labour were unpopular under Brown, unpopular under Miliband and actually saw their vote rise in 2017 under Corbyn, who presented some policies that were — gasp — popular. Here’s something else obvious: Labour’s biggest problem right now is trying to hold together the Brexit-voting base in the north of the country with their remain-voting support in the south, which is an issue not remotely of Corbyn’s making. You’ve swallowed a narrative of it being all about leaders in the face of all historical evidence. And in repeatedly insisting on it, you’re making an absolute tit of yourself.

 

[krtek a houby]

Purely anecdotal this, so don't jump down my throat (if you can resist the urge) but I could never find any JC fans back in London. Or those who would admit to it. Even Labour voters were reticent to voice support for him, in our conversations. Probably ex-Blairites. At least in my area. Various comments included "he's mad/a traitor/will destroy the country/is a communist/is a terrorist supporter" and all the other predictable shit. The venom came from all kinds of people, young, old, wc, toffs, black, white, Irish, Scottish etc etc.

Still, as pointed out above, it's something of a tradition for large amounts of vitriol to be poured on Labour leaders over the years. I don't envy the task ahead of Corbyn but if I still lived there, I would vote for him.

 

[Steel Icarus]

You mean a member of his party to represent your area in parliament (unless by London you meant Islington North)

 

[Dogsauce]

Forty-odd percent in the last election, wasn’t it? Biggest labour vote in a generation after a succession of centrist gonks. Only the collapse of the Lib Dem vote due to their treachery and the political situation in Scotland kept them out of power, neither of which Corbyn had control of.

 

[krtek a houby]

You mean a member of his party to represent your area in parliament (unless by London you meant Islington North)

I doubt even JC would be able to represent me here in Japan, but yay to international socialism anyway! And no, it wasn't Islington

 

[SpineyNorman]

I want Skinner just for comic value and his ability to get under the vermin's skin.

Shit thread.

 

[SpineyNorman]

So obvious and yet you’ve been completely unable to provide any coherent evidence for it across multiple threads of being asked for this.

Here’s something obvious: Labour were unpopular under Brown, unpopular under Miliband and actually saw their vote rise in 2017 under Corbyn, who presented some policies that were — gasp — popular. Here’s something else obvious: Labour’s biggest problem right now is trying to hold together the Brexit-voting base in the north of the country with their remain-voting support in the south, which is an issue not remotely of Corbyn’s making. You’ve swallowed a narrative of it being all about leaders in the face of all historical evidence. And in repeatedly insisting on it, you’re making an absolute tit of yourself.

I know why too. It's cos he's thick as pigshit.

 

[danny la rouge]

and is very probably the single biggest reason Labour is doing so badly

Rarely have I seen such obvious media-induced tabefaction of critical thinking.

There are two very long threads in which the actual shortcomings of Corbyn and Corbynism are debated. You could have learned from them both in the years they’ve been active. And yet here you are just regurgitating the pap you are fed by the media, from Foot’s cenotaph duffle coat to Corbyn being “hard left”. Christ, man, it’s embarrassing. It’s just stunning wilful lygophilia. No wonder we end up with a choice between variants of neoliberalism.

I’m not a Corbyn fan. I’m not a Labour fan. But your shallow, hypophrenic recitation of headline “common sense” gives me the boak.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Liked for useage of boak

 

[Pickman's model]

I like Kier, much of his appeal being his pro-EU stance (and voting record), positive opinions on gay rights and same sex marriage, and his general attitude to things. There are a couple of things I'm not too sure about, especially Trident, but I was impressed with his ability to say his piece on difficult and emotional subjects such as euthanasia.
He comes over well in front of a camera, is clearly a very bright bloke, and someone who could well make an excellent party leader - A man who could take Labour into a future election and win.

if you like keir starmer you might do him the courtesy of spelling his name correctly

 

[Proper Tidy]

if you like keir starmer you might do him the courtesy of spelling his name correctly

I assumed he just wanted to outsource the job tbh

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Rarely have I seen such obvious media-induced tabefaction of critical thinking.

There are two very long threads in which the actual shortcomings of Corbyn and Corbynism are debated. You could have learned from them both in the years they’ve been active. And yet here you are just regurgitating the pap you are fed by the media, from Foot’s cenotaph duffle coat to Corbyn being “hard left”. Christ, man, it’s embarrassing. It’s just stunning wilful lygophilia. No wonder we end up with a choice between variants of neoliberalism.

I’m not a Corbyn fan. I’m not a Labour fan. But your shallow, hypophrenic recitation of headline “common sense” gives me the boak.

Liked for making me look up three words.

 

[butchersapron]

Not the content?

 

[The39thStep]

I like Kier, much of his appeal being his pro-EU stance (and voting record), positive opinions on gay rights and same sex marriage, and his general attitude to things. There are a couple of things I'm not too sure about, especially Trident, but I was impressed with his ability to say his piece on difficult and emotional subjects such as euthanasia.
He comes over well in front of a camera, is clearly a very bright bloke, and someone who could well make an excellent party leader - A man who could take Labour into a future election and win.

Sums up all thats wrong with some Labour supporters when there isnt a single mention of economic equality in their to go list about a candidate of their choice

 

[butchersapron]

And their choice is a mould-breaking private school oxbridge one.

 

[danny la rouge]

And their choice is a mould-breaking private school oxbridge one.

That’s exactly what makes him “come over well”. His ability to have been to a posh school and university.

 

[JimW]

Sums up all thats wrong with some Labour supporters when there isnt a single mention of economic equality in their to go list about a candidate of their choice

First thing I thought too.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Dennis Skinner

 

[Pickman's model]

That’s exactly what makes him “come over well”. His ability to have been to a posh school and university.

basically don's saying any half-decent public speaker impresses him, he'd bow and scrape before a mosley or even a tyndall because he's more impressed by the presentation than the content.

 

[Bingo]

Angela Rayner

 

[The39thStep]

Angela Rayner

My ex branch secretary

 

[Bingo]

My ex branch secretary

Is she decent?

 

[butchersapron]

My ex branch secretary

I take it you mean union rather than party?!

 

[treelover]

I wish it would be John Mc, his speech this morning was superb.

 

[imposs1904]

Liked for making me look up three words.

I had to look up three words too. I wonder if it was the same three words?

When I write 'look up', I really mean that I said to myself 'What the fuck does that word mean?', and then went back to moaning at the kids.

 

[imposs1904]

And their choice is a mould-breaking private school oxbridge one.

Proper ex-Trot too, unlike that lightweight Corbyn.