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What's your total annual income - anonymous poll
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UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Maybe they don't talk about salaries as much on Reddit.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
They really are. I work in IT, our salaries are set at market rate and adjusted every year so we don't lose staff to better-paying companies. With bonus and share options (standard in the industry) it's around 150k/year. And if you work for Facebook, Apple, Google, Amazon, etc. it's even higher. And this is the people doing the grunt work, not management.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
What do you do and where (if you don't mind sharing)?
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
I don't think you're all talking about the same kind of IT jobs, there's a huge range of salaries in IT, certainly grunt work at over 100k is common in certain parts of it.
I work in Software Development for a company most people here would have heard of and I don't make anything like 150k a year, albeit I am recently starting as a graduate. But people who have been there for several years also don't make anything like that kind of money.
If you are a) based in London b) have a fair bit of experience and are in a fairly senior role c) work for one of the big fish companies and d) include stock options and bonuses then sure, 150k isn't uncommon. But it certainly isn't anyone working in IT making that.
souljacker
innit
I've done consultancy with some of the biggest companies in the world and I can guarantee you that most of the people I've worked with aren't getting anywhere near 100k. More often than not, they tap me up for a job because they realise I earn far more than them and I'm not on 100k.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I know loads of people working in IT on £100K+, You won't get that sort of money working as a Linux sysadmin or coding Powershell or Python but specialist skills such as CICS, TPS or niche programming languages there is more work than experienced people out there. Freelancers do best of course but still plenty of permanent staff on those sort of rates. Back in the 1990's in a previous incarnation as an MVS/JES3 engineer I wrote a fair bit of 370/Assembler (if you know what these acronyms mean you are outing yourself as either another old crumbly like me or a serious geek) not touched it since then which is a great pity because a few years ago someone asked if I was up for a 3 month contract rewriting Assembler into C for Aix and I had to turn them down. Which was a great pity really because they were willing to go to £5K a day.
Back when I worked for Evil American Megacorp I sat in on a few interviews as the 'technical' interviewer. Not one candidate I thought was best got offered the job so I'm probably the kiss of death for anyone looking for a job.
PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
Me and Mrs B both work for a non-Russell Group, top 15 university. I'm a research developer in faculty/central services with 15+ years experience on £42K, Mrs B started in September as a teaching coordinator in an academic department on £23K. Minimal housing costs as we started our mortgage in 2001 up north, decent pensions etc.
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I thought ‘IT’ was maintaining company networks etc. Software engineers are in development not IT.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I'm in customer facing communications facilitation; that should be worth a few grand extra!
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
IT is just short for information technology, which has come to mean anything to do with computers.
Well then it’s a bizarre job description. Mates of mine who say they work in IT maintain networks. I don’t recall website designers or graphic designers also saying as such.
ska invita
back on the other side
No dependants, pretax £19k for me and on a near equivalent wage or lower all my working life but have managed to just about squeak through with that as don't pay market rent - pure lucked out on housing market, at suggestion of girlfriends dad got 100% no-deposit-needed mortgage in 1995, bottom of the housing market, bought dead cheap in what was then a poor and isolated part of south london which 15 years later unexpectedly got on the overground network. With help from houseshare lodgers mortgage is now paid off and downsized since selling up.
That moment in 1995 utterly changed my life, hard to imagine what would've happened otherwise, i definitely didn't have any career path in front of me, would've had to find a better paying world of work at some point - but what and how? I did look at train driving at one point (ended up van driving instead), so maybe that. Some kind of driving work I expect.
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Conversation keeps coming up for me this month, on urban and real world, about early experiences that guided people into the work lives they lead now, and the lack of support/guidance given at school. Should be much more regular talk from younger age as to what work is out there and what the paths to get into that work are. Was non-existent in my experience, and Ive always felt totally stuck within the limits of manual or secretarial work. Didnt anyone here get good guidance at school?
On the subject of art, at school I thought I was doing well at art (only got a GCSE C but not for lack of ideas) and liked graphic design but remember the teacher discouraging me when we had practical classes on it. Crazy to think how formative these little incidents can be. A positive push at that point and Id have pursued it. Maybe.
Watched original 7 UP series not long ago - amazing how many 16 year old school leavers got basic entry level jobs and had mortgages in good sized houses by 21 [1977 that was]
That moment in 1995 utterly changed my life, hard to imagine what would've happened otherwise, i definitely didn't have any career path in front of me, would've had to find a better paying world of work at some point - but what and how? I did look at train driving at one point (ended up van driving instead), so maybe that. Some kind of driving work I expect.
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Conversation keeps coming up for me this month, on urban and real world, about early experiences that guided people into the work lives they lead now, and the lack of support/guidance given at school. Should be much more regular talk from younger age as to what work is out there and what the paths to get into that work are. Was non-existent in my experience, and Ive always felt totally stuck within the limits of manual or secretarial work. Didnt anyone here get good guidance at school?
On the subject of art, at school I thought I was doing well at art (only got a GCSE C but not for lack of ideas) and liked graphic design but remember the teacher discouraging me when we had practical classes on it. Crazy to think how formative these little incidents can be. A positive push at that point and Id have pursued it. Maybe.
Watched original 7 UP series not long ago - amazing how many 16 year old school leavers got basic entry level jobs and had mortgages in good sized houses by 21 [1977 that was]
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
We have Python contractors on around £500/day which equates to £130k/pa for 260 working days a year. Even taking 30 days out of that they're still on well over £100k pre-tax. Full time senior devs are on around 90-100. Top Ruby developers are on quite a bit more than that.
Glitter
Goddess of rock!
Just over 40k, husband works, no mortgage. Up until a couple of years ago our combined income was less than that. We have had some serious help (hence the no mortgage) and I’ve had two promotions and gone back full time, meaning the current cost of living crisis hasn’t fucked us up like it would have a couple of years ago.
We’re both quite shit with it so it doesn’t go as far as it should, ever, mind you.
We’re both quite shit with it so it doesn’t go as far as it should, ever, mind you.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I wasn't knocking Python programmers (or even Powershell ones) but making the point that permanent salaries for such relatively common skillsets shouldn't be taken as the baseline for even rarer ones. Son Q does a lot of Python programming in his job and I think he is on around £45Kish though his employer is generous with bonuses (£6K this year). They won't be getting that £130K as cash though, they will have the same setup as I do (IT contractor though my wife prefers the term consultant since she says contractor makes me sound like I'm going to paint the walls or do up the bogs) A limited company that they technically work for that gets paid and they draw a salary and receive dividends from. I don't expect (or deserve) any sympathy but we poor contractor scum pay LOTS of tax, VAT and corporation tax on what the company earns and then income and dividend tax on what we draw. Plus we need money in the company to pay us our salaries whilst we are not working.
What does sort of surprise me is that you're paying more for Ruby (Ruby on Rails I take it rather than just plain Ruby programming?) than Python I would have thought the other way round.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I never had you down as a landlord!
I have a degree in FineArt. my cohort, apart from the rich, or connected ones, of which they weren’t that many, are doing Service sector jobs, teaching, social work, or art related but relatively low paid.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It's been like that for at least a year. Our Python guys cross into Machine Learning engineers, so not just coders. That said, many firms are looking to move away from contractors at the moment but almost every Ruby dev is a contractor, so they're needing to pay big bucks to switch them to perm.
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ska invita
back on the other side
is fair comment
will never do it again!
shared with friends and extended networks, several who became my nearest and dearest to this day
though one prick tried to rob the whole house - caught him in the act, all valuables lined up by the door with a cab waiting
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
How did you deal with that?
Kris once disturbed a burglar at our place. He had put the chain across the front door so she couldn't get in. She called me and when we did get in, all our valuables were in our own suitcases in the hallway and the scumbag had scarpered down the fire escape. I've had dreams about what I'd have done if I caught him in the act but in reality I'd probably have asked him politely to leave.
ska invita
back on the other side
it was a farce - matey who was living there called up an apprentice who i comically literally kicked up the bum out of the house, while the lodger ran out the back and jumped through the fence, near enough leaving a cartoon cutout shape of his body in the panel
he never came back for his admittedly not very much stuff. I ended up wearing some of his clothes
bumped into him on a train a couple of years later and he was apologetic... couldnt feel too bad i know he was scraping, but he took full advantage of me, totally two faced.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Whatever Rachman.
Numbers
an ting!
In my younger years when I was a proper menace I had the pleasure of confronting 2 burglars in a shared house I lived in.
