What stupid shit has Trump done today?

[8den]

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This is where we're at right now. We're fighting the idea that totalitarianism is wrong, and a guy who once dismissed most American voters as lazy entitled moochers is pretty much on the side as the left right now (on this issue). When a boat is taking on water you don't stop bailing water to have a debate on the inequalities inherent in the current system. Come together to defeat the current crisis and then deal with the major issues afterwards.

 

[maomao]

When a boat is taking on water you don't stop bailing water to have a debate on the inequalities inherent in the current system.

So what are you doing to deal with the current crisis and how does shutting down other posters with abuse and misrepresentations help the cause?

 

[CrabbedOne]

On Politico Poll: GOP voters side with Trump over McConnell

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Asked who is more conservative, 50 percent of Republicans say Trump is, compared with 25 percent who pick McConnell.

While Republican voters say McConnell is more knowledgeable about the legislative process than Trump — 47 percent to 29 percent — they believe Trump is more knowledgeable about policy issues, 41 percent to 34 percent. (Voters overall disagree, saying McConnell is more knowledgeable on policy, 47 percent to 21 percent.)

Trump is more honest than McConnell, Republican voters say, 55 percent to 14 percent.

Perhaps most saliently, Republican voters say — overwhelmingly — that Trump is more in touch with them. Sixty percent say Trump is more in touch with GOP voters, compared with only 16 percent who say McConnell is.
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My bold, which is pretty crazy as Trump has not a baldy clue about a whole raft of policy issues. The lone senior US politician to admit to being surprised by the complexity of healthcare. The last paragraph is on the money though; Trump really knows how to stoke the GOP base's capacity for outrage while McConnell is out of touch and that hated thing a "politician". Not that Trump can do much without Mitch or finally isn't just as captured by a similar clutch of wealthy interests. His is a well packed swamp of Goldman alumni rubbing up against Koch and Mercer cronies. It's the billionaire CEO outsider illusion he creates the base loves.

 

[8den]

On Politico Poll: GOP voters side with Trump over McConnell
My bold, which is pretty crazy as Trump has not a baldy clue about a whole raft of policy issues. The lone senior US politician to admit to being surprised by the complexity of healthcare. The last paragraph is on the money though; Trump really knows how to stoke the GOP base's capacity for outrage while McConnell is out of touch and that hated thing a "politician". Not that Trump can do much without Mitch or finally isn't just as captured by a similar clutch of wealthy interests. His is a well packed swamp of Goldman alumni rubbing up against Koch and Mercer cronies. It's the billionaire CEO outsider illusion he creates the base loves.

I think this is also because of McConnell's & Ryan's botched handling of health care. trying to slip in a bill under cover of darkness that strips health care from upwards of 20m Americans is not exactly a vote winning strategy. On the Plus side the idea that Trump could take out a lot of the Republican establishment with him is a pleasant thought.

 

[CrabbedOne]

On Politico Trump pours gasoline on feud with CEOs

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Trump’s latest attacks — coupled with his renewed defense of the protesters in Charlottesville — only heighten the conundrum for business leaders, who don’t want to antagonize the White House but are also facing growing calls for possible boycotts. One social media campaign targeted Campbell’s Soup, whose CEO remains on the manufacturing council, with images of a soup can labeled “Swastika Stew.” Liberal activists have deluged participating companies like IBM and Dell with emails and calls urging them to leave the council.

Meanwhile, Trump supporters are calling for a boycott of Under Armour, after CEO Kevin Plank left the council on Monday night.
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Ouch!

Campbell’s Soup is what a lot of poor folk in the US are brought up on. I was as well. I recall seeing huge 50oz cans of it in a NJ food bank.

 

[Reiabuzz]

Surely Vonnegut is pulling the strings here from somewhere. This is bonkers, but brilliant theatre.

 

[Ptolemy]

Surely Vonnegut is pulling the strings here from somewhere. This is bonkers, but brilliant theatre.

I often think of him, along with Hunter S. Thompson. Both died over a decade ago and both saw Bush as the nadir of American politics, being their last point of reference for the GOP. I almost wish they were alive so that they could see Trump; I doubt they could have believed that someone as crude, vindictive and openly vile as him could ascend to the Presidency.

 

[Reiabuzz]

I often think of him, along with Hunter S. Thompson. Both died over a decade ago and both saw Bush as the nadir of American politics, being their last point of reference for the GOP. I almost wish they were alive so that they could see Trump; I doubt they could have believed that someone as crude, vindictive and openly vile as him could ascend to the Presidency.

Not just ascend to it (despite such issuesas bragging about sexually assaulting women), but hang on to the job against the odds. One of these scandals alone would have probably sunk anyone else but nope, he's still there. It's pure theatre. I mean, the Mooch You gotta laugh, otherwise..

 

[D'wards]

Why are people/the media so consistently shocked and surprised that Trump favours the alt right over the left?
The left despise Trump and vocalise this constantly. The right are his base.

He may be an idiot but he's not an idiot. He doesn't wanna bite the hand that feeds him

 

[Reiabuzz]

Why are people/the media so consistently shocked and surprised that Trump favours the alt right over the left?
The left despise Trump and vocalise this constantly. The right are his base.

He may be an idiot but he's not an idiot. He doesn't wanna bite the hand that feeds him

I'm minded to agree. People wrote Bush off as a fucking thick idiot for years, 8 of em to be precise. He was doing something right, clearly.

 

[eatmorecheese]

I often think of him, along with Hunter S. Thompson. Both died over a decade ago and both saw Bush as the nadir of American politics, being their last point of reference for the GOP. I almost wish they were alive so that they could see Trump; I doubt they could have believed that someone as crude, vindictive and openly vile as him could ascend to the Presidency.

I think HST wrote about Trumps flirtation with the far right back in the early 90's iirc. Out atm but will see if I can find the piece later.

 

[Supine]

He may be an idiot but he's not an idiot. He doesn't wanna bite the hand that feeds him

He doesn't want to bite the racist nazi right hand that feeds him

 

[redsquirrel]

No matter who first coined the term alt left or what they meant by it, look how Trump used it: to draw moral equivalence between the two sides at Charlottesville and to 'describe' what anyone else would just call antifscists.

You mean like the moral equivalence drawn by those who refer to 'horseshoe theory'?

 

[bemused]

Trump is comically tone deaf, I'm sure people around him carefully prepare him for these briefings knowing he'll just go off the rails.

If you were thinking about being the Republican runner in a few years now would be the time to step up and be very loud.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Sign the Petition

petition to Trumpy to declare ANTIFA( like ?) a terrorist organisation

roflz

 

[Joe Reilly]

Sign the Petition

petition to Trumpy to declare ANTIFA( like ?) a terrorist organisation

roflz

Or as one commentator on CNN pronounced it 'an-TIFFA'.

 

[D'wards]

Or as one commentator on CNN pronounced it 'an-TIFFA'.

Erm, how do you pronounce it?

 

[8den]

Why are people/the media so consistently shocked and surprised that Trump favours the alt right over the left?
The left despise Trump and vocalise this constantly. The right are his base.

He may be an idiot but he's not an idiot. He doesn't wanna bite the hand that feeds him

Because at most his base is 25% and he can't govt with that. It remains to be seen how toxic he is to the rest Republican party before they jettison him as a liability.

Simply put how much intolerance will the right tolerate.

 

[J Ed]

From the article in the J Ed link.

That's not quite right. One of the earliest mentions of "alt-left" I could find was a racist blogger saddo called Robert Lindsay (not the Wolfie one) who claims to be a supporter of the greens, the CPUSA and the Dems but also says he's a "race realist", that "Donald Trump is an example of what happens when Jews take over your government", and is, surprise surprise, a pro-Assad headbanger, gas attacks are false flags etc.

Spoiler

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But it looks like it started being used by liberal and conservatives around October and November last year as a byword for Bernie Sanders supporters.

Eg. Barbara Kay: A Marxist revolution by alt-left millennials?

Children of the Revolution

ok, I understand that (why people would have seen it for what it is and opposed it when they first noticed it appearing) .
But it seems to be not true that it was first used by vanity fair this Spring, and tracing it to one single root is probably pointless.
Here's a load of Soros-nonsense by Josef Farah of trumpist World Net Daily writing in August last year for instance:
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The term alt-left here is being used in the context of alt-right subculture, to refer to the left of the alt-right. It refers to an entirely different group of people, and it has an entirely different meaning, to the one which was actually popularised by pro-Clinton journalists, think tanks, social media personal brand entrepreneurs and finally by Trump.

 

[8den]

Trump is comically tone deaf, I'm sure people around him carefully prepare him for these briefings knowing he'll just go off the rails.

If you were thinking about being the Republican runner in a few years now would be the time to step up and be very loud.

Or do what Pence is doing, putting physical distance between himself & the President, by being in Sth America on a fact finding mission (with 700 staff!) propping up his foreign policy credentials for when the time is right.

 

[J Ed]

Erm, how do you pronounce it?

An-tee-fa.

 

[8den]

The term alt-left here is being used in the context of alt-right subculture, to refer to the left of the alt-right. It refers to an entirely different group of people, and it has an entirely different meaning, to the one which was actually popularised by pro-Clinton journalists, think tanks, social media personal brand entrepreneurs and finally by Trump.

The term Alt Left was coined by the right

What is the ‘alt-left,’ which Trump just blamed for some of the violence in Charlottesville?

It baffles me why you constantly try to invent rifts where none exist.

 

[bemused]

Or do what Pence is doing, putting physical distance between himself & the President, by being in Sth America on a fact finding mission (with 700 staff!) propping up his foreign policy credentials for when the time is right.

Trump is going to end up so toxic no one near him is going to have a career after he's gone.

 

[J Ed]

The term Alt Left was coined by the right

What is the ‘alt-left,’ which Trump just blamed for some of the violence in Charlottesville?

It baffles me why you constantly try to invent rifts where none exist.

You are fucking kidding me. The most prominent Democrats, and Democratic journalists, have been using the term alt-left to explicitly draw a link between those to their left and the alt right for months, I'm pointing out that this exists and you think that's creating a rift but presumably don't think that this punching left, red-baiting is 'creating a rift'?











Eric Boehlert on Twitter

Markos Moulitsas on Twitter

 

[8den]

You are fucking kidding me. The most prominent Democrats, and Democratic journalists, have been using the term alt-left to explicitly draw a link between those to their left and the alt right for months, I'm pointing out that this exists and you think that's creating a rift but presumably don't think that this punching left, red-baiting is 'creating a rift'?











Eric Boehlert on Twitter

Markos Moulitsas on Twitter

“Nobody even knows what [white supremacy] is,” Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper in August when asked about Bannon's comments tying Breitbart to white supremacy. “This is a term that was just given that — frankly, there's no white supremacy or alt-left. All I'm embracing is common sense.”

Previously, the term had appeared intermittently on sites like WND and CNS News and even in a syndicated column in Canadian newspapers hitting the media's coverage of Trump. But Trump's mention seemed to bring it to the attention of more mainstream conservatives.

The same night Trump used it, Lou Dobbs dropped a reference on his Fox Business Network show. A couple days later, the Washington Times' Kerry Riddell appeared on Fox News's “Media Buzz” and took issue with the media trying to label Trump's supporters as bigoted and racist: “If they're going to do that, do it with her or do it with her alt-left supporters.”

By Sept. 11, conservative activist Gary Bauer used the term on Jake Tapper's CNN show. “It's not white supremacy, it's not alt-left; it's alt-delete. It's get the bums out,” he said of the election. Dobbs said it again on Oct. 4.

Introducing the ‘alt-left’: The GOP’s response to its alt-right problem

This is my problem, you're more interest in finger pointing and dissecting the left's failures than addressing the matters at hand.

 

[butchersapron]

Now, what do the dates (and the people involved) on that last tweet above and that WP article tell us?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

One of the deplorable Trump supporters speaks out:

A North Carolina KKK leader says that he is “glad” that anti-white supremacist protester Heather Heyer was run down and killed in Virginia.


Neo-Nazi James Fields faces a murder charge for the death of 32-year-old Heyer, who was protesting an alt-right rally in Charlottesville before her death.


“I'm sorta glad that them people got hit and I'm glad that girl died,” Justin Moore “a Grand Dragon” in a KKK organization, told WBTV.

“Nothing makes us more proud at the KKK than we see white patriots such as James Fields Jr, age 20, taking his car and running over nine communist anti-fascist, killing one n----r-lover named Heather Heyer,”

KKK leader says that he is 'glad' about Heather Heyer's death

The Deplorables are starting to spill out of the basket.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Trump is going to end up so toxic no one near him is going to have a career after he's gone.

The way things are going, they're going to be lucky to escape with their necks.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

At the end of Trump's looney-tunes press conference wherein he defended Nazis and racists, he put in a plug for 'his' big winery in Charlottesville. But: he doesn't own a winery in Charlottesville.

Racist, fascist, compulsive liar.

Charlottesville winery Trump boasted about owning claims no affiliation

 

[8den]

On Fox & Friends, two black guests tearfully condemn Trump as the host insists there are "good people on both sides"