What stupid shit has Trump done today?
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maomao
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And more importantly a very deliberate misrepresentation of the argument you actually made.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
No, I'm pointing out that your factless speculation is just specious bollocks.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
From the guy who now says he never said he was going to ignore me.
maomao
普費斯
Because I never said it. Just like J Ed didn't say what you said he said. I sense a pattern.
bimble
floofy
The fuck off and start making drugs cheaper tweet he sent to the departing pharma CEO looks a lot like the one he did the other day, thanking Putin for expelling a bunch of US diplomats thus saving US taxpayers money. Both of them obviously petulant face-saving retaliations but definitely not the stupidest things he's said, not by a long way.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Yawn.
bimble
floofy
That only holds water if you think there's any chance that the departing CEO is going to set about reducing the price of drugs, which is the opposite of his job presumably.. it's not about reality is it, its about crowd-pleasing attempts at having the last word.
J Ed
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No, it's about presenting the person who left as someone working against the interests of the majority of Americans which he is thereby presenting his departure as something other than a victory over him. It allows Trump to remind the public of the role of these people without actually doing anything to mitigate it. If the Dems had a left populist agenda they could expose this, but they don't so instead we get 'woke CEO' narrative.
maomao
普費斯
What J Ed said was:
And
Which you've somehow managed to mangle into:
Which bears no relation whatsoever to what he actually said.
Which means you're either a liar or you have some serious reading comprehension problems. Or both.
Please just shut up.
And
Which you've somehow managed to mangle into:
Which bears no relation whatsoever to what he actually said.
Which means you're either a liar or you have some serious reading comprehension problems. Or both.
Please just shut up.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Fuck Off. There's literally no basis to support that assertion that that was Trump's intention. As to whether that should be the discussion we're having as per usual J Ed is utterly bereft of ideas.
Similarly, I think theres a time and a place for a discussion about the evils of Neo Liberalism, and this thread isn't it. Furthermore, someone wanting to discuss the evils of Neo Liberalism when there are armed fascists on the streets is a particularly stupid time. Akin to trying to co opt the Guards in Beslen into a prisoner lead a discussion on the pearls of the capitalist state, that might be the overall problem at the root of the issue but it's not going to fix the current crisis
J Ed
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Total historical illiteracy and ignorance here. As far as fascism and opposition to the current economic system goes... who the fuck do you think made up the bulk of the French resistance? The Spanish Second Republic? The Bund? The woman who was killed the other day was Heather Heyer, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
In any case, Donald Trump is running a neoliberal economic policy, and you are connecting the fascists in Charlottesville to Donald Trump presumably. Are you saying that you can talk about Trump himself but not his actual economic policies?
Sorry but just because you want to be lead around by the nose over a series of emotive culture war issues without taking a second to consider the wider socioeconomic context doesn't mean that the rest of us want that.
bimble
floofy
Trump himself is the CEO extraordinaire though, he's the epitome of 'these people', triumphantly squeezing the maximum profit out of every venture (or so he'd have folk believe) so it's hard to see how he manages to pull off any sort of anti-capitalist posturing that anyone could take seriously, I mean people knew him for his stardom on the Apprentice, as a businessman, a titan of capitalism, so I really don't think a tweet that says "stop making so much profit you nasty man" will convince anyone that Donald Trump has really got the interests of poor people at heart.
maomao
普費斯
I don't agree with everything he says but at least he has ideas. You offer at best a chicken little impersonation and at worst repeated attempts to shut down actual political debate with abuse. You're disgusting.
This is the thread for discussing the Trump presidency. There are other threads where you can bravely stand alongside the other liberals opposing fascism by posting about it on the internet. It's sickening however to try to use what happened to shut down political debate.
CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
On FiveThirtyEight Democrats Have Their Own Challenges In Talking About Racial Issues In The Trump Era
Goes over the probably necessary Dem fudge for 2020. Even if you buy the fantasy that the billionaire Trump's appeal had been based in economics and class issues rather than open cultural warfare the divided Dems are simply not going to run against him on purely pocketbook terms. Because as this explains the Dems are close to being a party with a majority of minority group voters and that sets different priorities. The venerated plutocrat Trump meanwhile is the champion of the aggrieved, older white male of all classes but the poorest. It's likely to be a very dirty battle on his terms. His biggest problem may well be instead of being a "wealth creating" CEO God of capitalism his very American voters put faith in he is now reduced to being just another a grubby DC politician and really a shockingly inept one.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Wow. So you admit this is a thread for discussing the Trump Presidency but think it's also the place for J Ed to spout irrelevant tagents about opposition to the capitalist state. You really are dense as fuck.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Non Sequitur.
The current situation has next to nothing to do with Trump's economic policies. This whole piece of nonsense started when you started on an irrelevant tangent when I posted that Trump's first instinct was to attack an African American CEO who resigned in protest to Trump's non-reaction to the riots.
No just sick of you pontificating on irrelevant tangents
maomao
普費斯
Is that someone's name? Why have you given it two capital letters?
'Non sequitur' is the new 'strawman' isn't it. I've yet to see it be used to describe an actual non sequitur.
ohmyliver
poppin' like a cork
There is an element of truth in that, because it does focus people away from the crony kleptocapitalism of the wider Trump government, and the wider US political system. But, there's a good chance that it's going to significantly hurt the Republican party, because of them carrying water for Trump, including things like Mitch McConnell blocking Obama from talking about Russian active measures in the run up to the election. There's also a good chance that it will hurt the Mercers (and hopefully their toxic ideological soup of Randist sociopathy, and white Christian supremtism) who are significantly invested in the Trump government both financially, and politically. There's also a good chance it's going to hurt such cunts as Farage and Arron Banks, and There's also a very good chance that it's linked to Russian organised crime, who have been helping to prop up both Wall Street and The City (there's a reason why the British government have studiously ignored the 14 or so deaths in suspicious circumstances of Russian dissidents and opponents of corruption). Although obviously the whole HSBC money laundering money for Mexican drug cartels without significant consequences thing means that sadly the latter might just be wishful thinking on my part.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
So you don't actually have a point as per usual, just snippy personal attacks, back on ignore you go.
ohmyliver
poppin' like a cork
Yes, you're right. The brazen telling of lies is a common tactic of despots. One that works especially well on a target audience which cleaves to such obviously false ideology as trickle down economics, and rejects basic science when it conflicts with their world view.
Supine
Newt Member
BBC now reporting the deleted train tweet. Guys on form...
Trump tweets cartoon of train hitting CNN reporter - BBC News
Trump tweets cartoon of train hitting CNN reporter - BBC News
ohmyliver
poppin' like a cork
Jeez. Shitlord Tucker Carlson's 'Libetarian' Trumpist news site published a clip of people driving cars into protesters earlier in Jan. With the text:
'Here’s a compilation of liberal protesters getting pushed out of the way by cars and trucks. Study the technique; it may prove useful in the next four years.
None of these clips are new, but that doesn’t mean they’re not still fresh.'
Fox republished the clip. Fox has now, surprisingly, deleted the page, but not before screenshots were taken.
'Here’s a compilation of liberal protesters getting pushed out of the way by cars and trucks. Study the technique; it may prove useful in the next four years.
None of these clips are new, but that doesn’t mean they’re not still fresh.'
Fox republished the clip. Fox has now, surprisingly, deleted the page, but not before screenshots were taken.
J Ed
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J Ed
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Burying the Lie of the “Alt-Left”
My apologies of course in advance for referring to anything outside of what Trump has done, barring economics, in the current news cycle.
For months now, as part of the ongoing battle over the future of progressive politics in the United States, members of the liberal center have been warning about what they called the “alt-left,” the alt-right’s supposed mirror image. The term was first used in a Vanity Fair piece by James Walcott in March, in which he claimed there was a “kinship” between the two groups, and proceeded to rattle off a list of its supposed members, all of whom (bar Susan Sarandon) were men.
It should go without saying that the label refers to something that doesn’t exist. This very publication, for instance, was cited by Walcott as one of the alt-left’s “outlets,” despite the fact that we routinely spend our time criticizing Trump and his cronies and are rooted in a longstanding democratic socialist tradition.
The term was always intellectually lazy and dishonest, but veracity was never its point. Rather, it was an evolution of the “Bernie Bro” slur, a way to dismiss left-wing critiques of centrist Democrats by claiming those espousing them were racist, misogynistic, white men, even when they were people of color, women, or both. The insertion of the “alt” label was key — without needing to say a thing, the term drew up an affinity and connection between modern, rebranded white supremacists and those campaigning for universal health care and a higher minimum wage.
In the months that ensued, the epithet and the idea that underwrote it were picked up and used by members of the liberal center as a cudgel against socialists, right up until the events in Charlottesville.
“If the Bernie Bros wanted to make a show of force on behalf of progressive values, Saturday in Charlottesville would be a good time,” wrote Mieke Eoyang, former Ted Kennedy staffer and vice president of the National Security Program at Third Way, a centrist think tank.
One popular liberal Twitter account compared the tiki torch-wielding mob of racists to Bernie Sanders supporters.
Well, the neo-Nazi march in Charlottesville took place, and the same people who some have spent months dismissing as closet racists were on the front line, risking bodily harm to stand up against white supremacy. The International Socialist Organization (ISO) and Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) were part of the counter-protest, and their flags flew high after the alt-right marchers had gone. The DSA started a fundraiser to cover the injuries sustained by those attacked at the event, which has raised $138,000 as of the time of writing. Two of its members were injured in the attack on the protests. So were the family members of a staffer at Truthout, a publication that was critical of Clinton during the 2016 election, and one of whose journalists has featured on the “Trumpian Leftism” Tumblr as a “Bernie Bro” and alt-left member.
Or let’s look at Heather Heyer, the murdered young woman who is so far the only casualty of Saturday’s right-wing attack. Heyer was a committed civil rights activist, whose mother, Susan Bro, said “always had a very strong sense of right and wrong.” She was also a Bernie Sanders supporter.
This is hardly a new development. DSA and other left-wing organizations have been involved in anti-Trump protests, including those against the implementation of Trump’s travel ban. Socialists have been playing important roles in recent protests against police violence. If you go further back, you can find leftists organizing and defeating racists in places like Dubuque, Iowa during the nineties and in other campaigns for over a century.
It is neither tenable or acceptable to smear leftists and progressives who oppose corporate Democrats as analogous to neo-Nazis. While those of us on the Left will continue to battle against the policies of the center — policies we think not only cause harm in the here and now but will do nothing to stem the rise of the Right — we should stand united with those liberals who want to stand with us against racism and hatred.
There are some who are nonetheless clinging to a divisive and false narrative about the Left. The day after the incident, Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas wondered if anyone “outside of the alt-left” was “still pretending that “last year’s election was about economic anxiety.” A Daily Kos contributing editor blamed the neo-Nazi march on the “alt-Left,” who “in their drive to smear the ‘impurity’ of Clinton on economic justice issues, excused the racism and bigotry that is Trumpism,” which was “stinging very hard now.” Others made a similar point.
My apologies of course in advance for referring to anything outside of what Trump has done, barring economics, in the current news cycle.
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