What Now for the BNP?
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ExtraRefined
Better than you at everything you love
Ideally we should stop the BNP getting EU funding by not giving any parties EU funding.
malatesta32
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The39thStep
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Must be Goodwin
malatesta32
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BNP bring and buy sale?
Been a while since I heard any BNP related stuff. But this caught my eye. BNP given £200,000 in record donation!
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...al-party-given-record-donation_n_2733268.html
Quick one, Dan Hodges is a Hope Not Hate spokesman? Dan "I'm such a massive tory I work for the Telegraph" Hodges. Another very compelling reason why anyone with even vaguely radical sympathies should avoid them like the fucking plague.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...al-party-given-record-donation_n_2733268.html
Quick one, Dan Hodges is a Hope Not Hate spokesman? Dan "I'm such a massive tory I work for the Telegraph" Hodges. Another very compelling reason why anyone with even vaguely radical sympathies should avoid them like the fucking plague.
Soon people will be talking about "Goodwin's Law"
malatesta32
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the 200k will only cover about 1/3 of their debts from what i can gather from info in the public. the money is 1 thing, their political collapse is another. griffin and derby are professional fascists.
The39thStep
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talking of Goodwin he had a great Twitter spat with Rob Ford ( who co authored some publications with him)
1%er
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It appears that the money came from a Mr Albert Starmore (not Stanmore), who was a train driver not a tube driver.
" Almost all the money received by the party last year came from legacies. On top of Mr Starmore’s £200,000 (paid in two installments of £100,000), a Brian Mincherton gave £35,000 in his will whilst an Edward Hart left £28,736.97. The only living donor registered was one Russell Webb, who gave the party £2,250."
" Almost all the money received by the party last year came from legacies. On top of Mr Starmore’s £200,000 (paid in two installments of £100,000), a Brian Mincherton gave £35,000 in his will whilst an Edward Hart left £28,736.97. The only living donor registered was one Russell Webb, who gave the party £2,250."
bignose1
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Mincherton was an old time fash from the Tameside and at times Stockport area and as I remember an oppo of David Anthony Jones and Frank Dawber...old skool NF 60's/70's/80's. As was often the case when you got one NF'er in the family it usually meant the whole lot were connected so you'd have a generational thing. Some of those old boys who were around the NF from day one will be pushing on but you still hear the same surnames popping up. The relentless anti fascist attacks on them in the Manchester area led to many losing interest on a activist level and you only subsequently heard from them in the various letters pages whingeing on about the usual shite. Good riddance.
ps Derek Adams seems to have dissapeared since he got his massive 400k CP payoff for his shitty little pub...word is he renaged on a promise to tip up to Griffclops.
1%er
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Thanks for the background.
The BNP are a bit of a busted flush at the moment aren't they? From what I'm reading it would seem that UKIP will pick up many of the votes that went to the BNP, but many a slip between cup and lip
bignose1
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Thanks for the background.
The BNP are a bit of a busted flush at the moment aren't they? From what I'm reading it would seem that UKIP will pick up many of the votes that went to the BNP, but many a slip between cup and lip
Thanks...like your quote at the end....not got me head round the UKIP stuff...think parties like that tend to implode just as they seem to be breaking out into the mainstream...fmo
1%er
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UKIP seem to me to be Thatcherism without the restraints the tory wets managed to apply.
What political options are there at elections in the UK for someone who is anti-migration and anti-immigration on economic grounds alone?
malatesta32
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yeah me too. not sure where to place UKIP at all and if their popularity will mean a dilution of policy.
Joe Reilly
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UKIP are the new radical alternative. And if they wish to retain that title there can be no dallying with 'dilution'. Indeed their current and future popularity rests on them doing precisely the opposite.
Money down the pan...
oh, and I wonder what is said when they reach the pearly gates...
Going by some of the new organisers, won't be Left Unity, I suspect they will ultimately have some open borders policy..
Are you saying they are BNP lite?, they have some barking policies, however, they haven't been under real scrutiny, it will be very revealing to see the contrast in media scrutiny between L/U and Ukip, if LU gets properly off the ground which seems very likely seeing the energy of its adherents
Casually Red
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their former bagman Jim Dowson managed to get himself nicked a wee while back over the union jack protests in Belfast . Some of his defence explanations are comical, particularly his claim that he wasnt leading a mob of 50 people down the street but actually trying to distance himself from them but they just followed him
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...im-dowson-appears-in-belfast-court.1362231055
since overseeing the collapse of their financial network and call centre in Belfast he seems to have joined that other BF outfit thats simply bizzare but right up his alley
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...im-dowson-appears-in-belfast-court.1362231055
since overseeing the collapse of their financial network and call centre in Belfast he seems to have joined that other BF outfit thats simply bizzare but right up his alley
Joe Reilly
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As has been under discussion on other threads their transformation from more or less single issue protest party to genuine radical alternative is, at least in part, reliant on their courting of working class BNP voters and the latter responding. In that sense they are as much a threat to Labour as to the Tories. Even the Lib Dems have reversed liberal proposals on immigration following Eastleigh. Who or what 'nudged' UKIP to try and fill the vacuum, when there was a distinct absence of any evident ambition in that regard hitherto is the area of strategy that could probably do with a degree of media scrutiny, which is something 'LU' will never have to face.
malatesta32
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didnt know where to post this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22019433
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22019433
The39thStep
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Hasn't any relevance here
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Poor results for the BNP - though UKIP benefit.
Leader's twitter says:
"I have served as an Election Monitor in Russia and Ukraine and have never seen or even heard allegations of blatant fraud on this scale." — Nick Griffin MEP
Can this really be true?
If so will the allegations be put to the test?
Leader's twitter says:
"I have served as an Election Monitor in Russia and Ukraine and have never seen or even heard allegations of blatant fraud on this scale." — Nick Griffin MEP
Can this really be true?
If so will the allegations be put to the test?
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Thread bump - wasn't too sure where to stick this, so thought I'd bung it in here for now: According to the CST blog (not everyone's fave reference point, I know), the BNP have started to use overtly anti-Semitic imagery once again, this time in support of the Greek Golden Dawn mob - see here for details: http://blog.thecst.org.uk/?p=4742
Is this the start of the BNP re-adopting a Tyndall/Edmonds position on Jewish people? (Also: Griffin of course has 2 convictions for anti-Semitic writings from the 1990's).
Is this the start of the BNP re-adopting a Tyndall/Edmonds position on Jewish people? (Also: Griffin of course has 2 convictions for anti-Semitic writings from the 1990's).
malatesta32
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the jewish community in this country are very integrated and maintain a very low visible presence (except outside synagogue on shabbat). most people dont know many 'Jews' so trhe antisemitic thing is pretty irrelevant. as is that ZOG shite and the international conspiracy. even BNPers admit that antisemitism is pretty useless as a policy and its better to go after the muslamics.
MellySingsDoom
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I'd certainly agree with all that, which makes me wonder why they've started using those specific images again right now - is it purely to support Golden Dawn, or is there summat else at play? I'm not sure of the answer to that one myself, but it is rather...odd? I mean, Griffclops binned anti-Semitism in favour of Islamophobia when he took over the BNP in 1999 (presumably taking a leaf out of Le Pen senior's book, there), and although I haven't kept up with BNP goings on for a good while, I presume that anti-Muslim paranoia is still high up on the BNP's agenda. So why drag that stuff out of the woodwork again? What's your take on it?
e2a: Whilst I'd agree that anti-Semitism doesn't have that much currency in current "nationalist" circles in the UK, the situation w/regard to anti-Semitism in Europe is far more prevalent and worrying (see France, Greece, Hungary, Romania and Germany as immediate examples I can think of - I'm sure others here can cite more countries/examples)...
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The Quenelle is in the news at the moment and a lot of people (including some supposedly left wingers 
) are arguing that it isn't anti-semitic because it's aimed at 'Zionists'. So Zionism is a bit of a current topic.
Good on him for piping up in order to make people run a mile from it though.
) are arguing that it isn't anti-semitic because it's aimed at 'Zionists'. So Zionism is a bit of a current topic.Good on him for piping up in order to make people run a mile from it though.
malatesta32
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you aint missed much melly. apart from corruption charges and imminent collapse!!!!
malatesta32
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anti-semitism in the UK is not the same as elsewhere, its much less obvious. also antifascism has been much more militant and kept fascist groups out of the mainstream discourse unlike other places (france, greece - tho not to discredit antifa there!!!). the target is not so much the point rather the manipulation of other peoples ire - blaming 'the joos' for everything whilst doing the boss classes work for them. we have had jews, irish, 'blacks' 'asians' travellers, 'asylum seekers' and are about to gird up our racist loins to attack syrian 'refugees.' it is so predictable and uses the same rhetoric. BNP failed to align itself with EDL so is reaching further out and courting GD.
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