What Now for the BNP?

[butchersapron]

You're not going to even mention how you twisted 39 steps post, putting firstly, as his own the exact opposite to what he put forward, then following this up by putting the paraphrased words of the edl bloke in his mouth - despite these words again being the exact opposite of what 39teps actualy argued. Remember when people like you could identify what the far-right were doing and were able to describe it accurately without being bothered by flabby types squealing at you that you were echoing the fascists narrative? You are now the flabby squealer.

None of the above from you deals with - not even by accident - the points made by 39steps about the attraction of these sort of campaigns for the alienated, those who not only think, but know, they've been dumped in the bin. Of course the far-right are trying to use this - what else would they do? The question is why you cannot see anything here beyond this? Have you really blinded yourself so? To point out other - larger - social dynamics at work here, and the opps these open up (which you despite your alternate hah see IWCA the fascists aren't coming/OMG global collapse the fascists are coming!! posts) should be the start point of any sort of sustained campaign to engage with and help develop, further and re-make the sort of w/c solidarity that's requied before your dappy SOCIALISM now rhetoric can even start to mean a damn thing.

The above post from you is pure apoliticism. Come up with a program, proclaim it. Job done.

 

[The39thStep]

I wouldn't mind if Ayatollah could even gets his facts right about Reddish .

 

[ViolentPanda]

Here's the link to the story in the Sun, top picture is a corker:
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sco...P-chiefs-terror-in-clash-with-protesters.html
Griffin looks like he's about to burst into tears.

And him a boxing blue too!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Got some right aul meatheads around him

Meatheads?
Pie thieves, more like!!

 

[where to]

worth noting and emphasising that it was, apparently, those who are protesting against the rehousing of the convicted rapist that took direct action against Griffin. i.e. the mob that some would label fascist or whatever, blocking the fascist.

 

[weepiper]

worth noting and emphasising that it was, apparently, those who are protesting against the rehousing of the convicted rapist that took direct action against Griffin. i.e. the mob that some would label fascist or whatever, blocking the fascist.

Yup - they want the rapist to fuck off out of their community but they're not interested in having that hijacked or made capital out of by the BNP

 

[Red Storm]

worth noting and emphasising that it was, apparently, those who are protesting against the rehousing of the convicted rapist that took direct action against Griffin. i.e. the mob that some would label fascist or whatever, blocking the fascist.

I don't believe that's true. But im not 100%

 

[Red Storm]

The chap who attacked NG was purely against the BNP.

Although I think its fair if the community doesn't want a rapist in its midst.

 

[butchersapron]

worth noting and emphasising that it was, apparently, those who are protesting against the rehousing of the convicted rapist that took direct action against Griffin. i.e. the mob that some would label fascist or whatever, blocking the fascist.

Interesting. I remember them rehousing paedo killer Robert Oliver (after trying to house cooke himself down here previously) down here a few years back and there was sustained local protest which the BNP tried to get a bit of - told to quietly leave. On here and elsewhere we were regaled of tales of right-wing mobs with pitchforks and so on. Lots of tutting.

 

[fiannanahalba]

Dont know about the direct action but they were fully opposed to the BNP trying to latch onto their campaign and seen them as the racist/fascists they are. Fair play to the Dalkeith residents.

 

[Fedayn]

I don't believe that's true. But im not 100%

You don't believe what isn't true?

 

[weepiper]

This from the Edinburgh Evening News the day before

http://www.scotsman.com/news/bnp-ca...ck-griffin-plans-to-join-protestors-1-2435726

Protest leader Kelly Parry said: “We were donated those placards and accepted them in good faith. These guys just turned up at the protest and began handing them out. They just read “Pro Fam: Protecting the Family”, nobody had a clue as to their political connotations. In actual fact we turned away a number of people who arrived wearing BNP T-shirts.
“As a campaign we do not support or condone the views of the SDL or BNP in any way, in fact we strongly oppose their views.”

 

[Red Storm]

You don't believe what isn't true?

That the guy who attacked NG was there to be against the rapist and the BNP.

And it isn't true. The residents were there against the rapist and the BNP but not the lad who slapped NG.

 

[weepiper]

and some background here

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on...tests-continue-over-da-vinci-rapist-1-2385952

 

[butchersapron]

Interesting. I remember them rehousing paedo killer Robert Oliver (after trying to house cooke himself down here previously) down here a few years back and there was sustained local protest which the BNP tried to get a bit of - told to quietly leave. On here and elsewhere we were regaled of tales of right-wing mobs with pitchforks and so on. Lots of tutting.

Here is that thread.

 

[love detective]

worth noting and emphasising that it was, apparently, those who are protesting against the rehousing of the convicted rapist that took direct action against Griffin. i.e. the mob that some would label fascist or whatever, blocking the fascist.

yep - kind of makes a mockery of those on here who equate those who want to regain some kind of control over their communities as reactionary/fascist etc..

 

[where to]

That the guy who attacked NG was there to be against the rapist and the BNP.

And it isn't true. The residents were there against the rapist and the BNP but not the lad who slapped NG.

you might be right re: the individual who attached Griffin and got lifted. my source was main stream media - hence "apparently". what's your source?

either way, the fact that the anti-beast protesters also turned out against griffin was as much my point.

 

[Fedayn]

That the guy who attacked NG was there to be against the rapist and the BNP.

And it isn't true. The residents were there against the rapist and the BNP but not the lad who slapped NG.

It wasn't just him who confronted the BNP by the way. The residents did too and are quoted quite clearly in their oppostion to his politics.

 

[The39thStep]

I suspect Ayotolah will be on here in a minute to tell the Dalkeith resident off for not supporting the right to rehabilitation

 

[Red Storm]

you might be right re: the individual who attached Griffin and got lifted. my source was main stream media - hence "apparently". what's your source?

either way, the fact that the anti-beast protesters also turned out against griffin was as much my point.

My source is the chap who slapped him.

I don't know about the other protesters, I've not asked.

It seems like there was a crew out for the BNP and then the residents protesting against the rapist and the BNP.

 

[Dreich]

The whole weekend has been a humiliation for the far right in Scotland, first the SDL drop out of the BNP's anti-police demo in Glasgow as their collars start getting felt, then the BNP cancel their demo altogether, allegedly at the request of the police, despite the demo being to show how they weren't going to be pushed around by the state. Then three members of their splinter group Britannica turn up on the day to find themselves outnumbered 100 to 1 and then Griffin gets lamped in a photogenic fashion.
The bungling BNP Scotland furher has actually thanked the press on the BNP Scotland blog for their coverage! Mind you, this is probably the first time he's managed to get the BNP in the papers without trading off his famous step-sister.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

The whole weekend has been a humiliation for the far right in Scotland, first the SDL drop out of the BNP's anti-police demo in Glasgow as their collars start getting felt, then the BNP cancel their demo altogether, allegedly at the request of the police, despite the demo being to show how they weren't going to be pushed around by the state. Then three members of their splinter group Britannica turn up on the day to find themselves outnumbered 100 to 1 and then Griffin gets lamped in a photogenic fashion.
The bungling BNP Scotland furher has actually thanked the press on the BNP Scotland blog for their coverage! Mind you, this is probably the first time he's managed to get the BNP in the papers without trading off his famous step-sister.

Who is his famous step sister?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Here is that thread.

I'd forgotten how fucking awful some of the shit on that thread was.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm just glad i was banned at the time.

 

[treelover]

I suspect Ayotolah will be on here in a minute to tell the Dalkeith resident off for not supporting the right to rehabilitation

slightly off topic but i have just found out that someone i have respected as a long time community campaigner and champion of the marginalised has in the past been prosecuted twice for child abuse, it was many years ago and they have served their time, I don't see this person very often now, but I really am wondering how i will respond if and when i see them again, I don't think i will be hounding them to leave the area though...

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

slightly off topic but i have just found out that someone i have respected as a long time community campaigner and champion of the marginalised has in the past been prosecuted twice for child abuse, it was many years ago and they have served their time, I don't see this person very often now, but I really am wondering how i will respond if and when i see them again, I don't think i will be hounding them to leave the area though...

Do you think this particular type of leopard (twice convicted child abuser) can change their spots?

 

[Joe Reilly]

Do me a huge favour Butchers.. spare me your sanctimonious, dishonest, bullshit. An entire key element of the IWCA "offer" is to skirt slimely around , and compromise with, the issue of some backward, reactionery, sections of the white working class's generalised hostility to Black and Asian people, by your own special negative use of the term "multiculturalism", and to allude and indeed collude with the idea that "grooming" is an especially Asian crime . Indeed "Joe" seems in some of his posts to really rate the BNP's campaigning work to "expose" this (completely bogus) "asian problem", which it most definitely isn't - most young people are abused by their own white fathers, and abuse rings are overwhelmingly WHITE).

It seems you would prefer these very specific Muslim grooming circles (not asian) to be not highlighted at all. On the basis that it gives succour to reactionary sections of the white working class. And of course in that you would not be alone. But it is precisely this mealy-mouth and proprietorial attitude in shaping 'anti-racism' that a) has caused many of the problems to begin with and b) has helped the BNP present itself as as the radical truth-givers on this issue and others, particulalry the working class areas abandoned by the left half a century ago.
Of course as soon as someone sets out the remedy that very specific and obvious failing they are immediately regarded as suspect and tagged with being a BNP fellow traveller. The question as to why sections of the working class appear to be increasingly 'reactionary' is never asked. Hilarious really. The real elephant in the room here is the spit-flecked contempt for 'WHITE' working class people by those who, who intellectually and emotionally have over time managed to convince themselves that there is no contradiction between being both anti-working class and left-wing, and be vocal about it. 'Anti-racism really does make it ok to hate the poor'.

 

[Gingerman]

“I hope the people who are protesting us feel ashamed if their daughter or grand-daughter is raped next — maybe they would change their minds.”

He is a fucking class act isn't he ^

Sounds like wishful thinking on Fatboy's part

 

[Dreich]

Who is his famous step sister?

KT Tunstall, she was adopted, met her mother as an adult but disowned her when she found out that her step dad and brother were BNP activists. He got sacked from his job as a bouncer at a local gay club when his political activities came to light. The local paper covered it, but the bulk of the article covered his relationship with his step sister, suggesting he'd to barter this for getting the story in.
http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-e...f-prejudice-says-sacked-bnp-bouncer-1-2354481

 

[bignose1]

It seems you would prefer these very specific Muslim grooming circles (not asian) to be not highlighted at all. On the basis that it gives succour to reactionary sections of the white working class. And of course in that you would not be alone. But it is precisely this mealy-mouth and proprietorial attitude in shaping 'anti-racism' that a) has caused many of the problems to begin with and b) has helped the BNP present itself as as the radical truth-givers on this issue and others, particulalry the working class areas abandoned by the left half a century ago.
Of course as soon as someone sets out the remedy that very specific and obvious failing they are immediately regarded as suspect and tagged with being a BNP fellow traveller. The question as to why sections of the working class appear to be increasingly 'reactionary' is never asked. Hilarious really. The real elephant in the room here is the spit-flecked contempt for 'WHITE' working class people by those who, who intellectually and emotionally have over time managed to convince themselves that there is no contradiction between being both anti-working class and left-wing, and be vocal about it. 'Anti-racism really does make it ok to hate the poor'.

EEEEEEEEEEHaaaaaaaaaa Floyd got us here some nigger lovers....cant be having these jew boys down from the north solving our nigger problem...lets see what they say in the saloon...