Westminster sexual abuse scandals

[mojo pixy]

I stand here on a Saturday evening defending the rights of some arsehole tory mp to wank at work . Be outraged , knock yourselves out, I just can't summon the energy to care and think its a silly distraction from the serious stuff, ie sexual abuse in westminster, and elsewhere. It reminds me of that spreadsheet that started this whole thing off, the mixing of real issue with prurient personal 'oo er i disapprove' stuff.

I think it's linked and very much part of the problem. It begs the the question, when someone's been watching porn like 1 minute ago at work, how are they now looking at their colleagues, clients etc. Is their gaze professional, or .. something else? How will they be talking to / acting around people?

It's actually pretty vile, when you think about it.

 

[bimble]

It's obviously not seen as acceptable because look, its headline news. A great big scandal.

 

[hash tag]

It's not that it's not seen as acceptable. It is not acceptable.

 

[bimble]

I think it's linked and very much part of the problem. It begs the the question, when someone's been watching porn like 1 minute ago at work, how are they now looking at their colleagues, clients etc. Is their gaze professional, or .. something else? How will they be talking to / acting around people?

It's actually pretty vile, when you think about it.

And it'd not be a problem if they just watched it at home, for hours every evening, or on their commute, that'd be fine? I don't like porn, don't use it and think it has huge social consequences but what do you think should happen, all MPs and public servants swear not to watch porn ever ? Or is just the work computer thing that's the big issue. Or the fact that its an MP is that the thing?

 

[redsquirrel]

Because the work place is a public space. Someone's home isn't.

I don't believe you're this obtuse.

 

[bimble]

Because the work place is a public space. Someone's home isn't.

I don't believe you're this obtuse.

You think he was watching it in an open plan office whilst other people were looking and walking about ?

 

[redsquirrel]

You think he was watching it in an open plan office whilst other people were looking and walking about ?

No but that doesn't mean that the workplace is not a public space. There are other workers there. That's why there are all sorts of legislation and rules that apply to workplaces.

I can't smoke at work, I can't use certain language, safety regulations have to be obeyed.

 

[bimble]

Yes. So its back to the shocking revelation that if he was a call center worker he'd probably have got fired already.

 

[redsquirrel]

No it's about defending the rights of workers not to have to work in climate where they are forced to put up with stuff that makes them uncomfortable.

But you know this. Fake crap.

 

[bimble]

I'm sorry for not being outraged. Please carry on.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm with bimble on this. I also don't like the kind of porn he was using, don't use it, and think it has huge social consequences, but loads of people do use it. If someone in my workplace were secretly staying late at work and knocking one out over porn on their computer, I really wouldn't care. It's funny that a tory minister is in trouble, but I struggle to actually care about MPs watching porn at work if they are doing it when there's nobody else around.

 

[bimble]

Fake crap.

Whereas your shock about this is genuine. ok.

 

[mojo pixy]

The reason he's not been sacked as far as I can tell is because of the controversy around how the info has come to light. I think if he'd been caught 'red handed' as it were, he'd be absolutely sacked, and rightly so.

 

[redsquirrel]

Whereas your shock about this is genuine. ok.

Nobodies talked about being shocked apart from you.

I just think that there is such a thing as society, that workers have the right not to be exposed to porn or other crap that might make them uncomfortable. And that by defending this shit you are creating a culture where is becomes acceptable to make your assistant buy you sex toys, tell sexist "jokes", make sexual remarks etc

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Nobodies talked about being shocked apart from you.

I just think that there is such a thing as society, that workers have the right not to be exposed to porn or other crap that might make them uncomfortable.

Has anyone been exposed to porn other than Green?

 

[bimble]

Has anyone been exposed to porn other than Green?

such a thing as society. And the workers. He must have been doing it in front of them, as you would, not in private.

 

[redsquirrel]

Has anyone been exposed to porn other than Green?

So it's ok so long as he doesn't get caught redhanded? There's still clearly the potential for people to be exposed to it isn't there.

But it's not just the direct exposure is it? Why should people in his office have to put up with him disappearing into his office for ten minutes while he's "engaged" while they try to work?

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Surely the issue here is not that he might have looked at porn but that he is denying it? Ie he might be a liar. So he might be lying about brexit related stuff? Which might be serious. In the interview on R4 morning news the cop stated that the browsing pattern throughout the day suggested he was working all day at his computer & viewing porn in between work related stuff & sending emails. Otherwise somebody else would have had to have jumped onto his computer & watched porn every time Green popped out of the office which seems a bit far fetched.

Green denied this & denied viewing porn. His mate another tory MP said on R4 lunchtime news said that MPs don’t sit all day in parliament office working on their computers so it must have been somebody else.

I think Green will get away with this & stay in post. Imo the public are long past being outraged by this sort of thing. Most people believe that both police & politicians are lying cunts so the media will fail to raise much steam on this & come the next outrage in a few days it will be largely forgotten.

I would think most people think the whole front bench is now so toxic that it wouldn’t matter if they were all exposed as liars because everybody knows we are being lied to on a daily basis anyway.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, just another routine scandal the same old revelation that they're not treated the same as everyone else. shocking.

You're all "nothing to see here" above all of a part with your oops I don't know what I mean elsewhere.

 

[The Fornicator]

You don't see any connection between a culture that thinks it's acceptable to watch porn in the workplace and the type of sexist crap women have reported?

No more than browsing for shopping bargains provokes me into running amok in Oxford Street with a credit card. Are you completely stupid?

 

[DotCommunist]

No more than browsing for shopping bargains provokes me into running amok in Oxford Street with a credit card. Are you completely stupid?

do you find shopping or contemplating shopping sexually arousing then?

 

[Pickman's model]

do you find shopping or contemplating shopping sexually arousing then?

They don't call him the Fornicator for nothing

 

[bimble]

You're all "nothing to see here" above all of a part with your oops I don't know what I mean elsewhere.

Please try harder, I'm quite ready to have a fight (and have nothing better to do this saturday evening) but just can't bring myself to get excited about the moral turpitude of some mp looking at pictures of naked ladies on their work computer. This conversation was about whether or not you can rouse any outrage about him looking at porn, in context with the silence about the actually properly disturbing revelations that came out a couple of weeks ago before that bloke hung himself, about people being silenced after trying to report abuse.
You care about the porn watching, I don't. And please don't berate me for not 'knowing what i mean' on that other subject, in which I'm being as brave as i know how, seeing as you'd never get called a terf.

 

[Pickman's model]

Please try harder, I'm quite ready to have a fight (and have nothing better to do this saturday evening) but i just can't bring myself to get excited about the moral turpitude of some mp looking at pictures of naked ladies on their work computer. This conversation was about whether or not you can rouse any outrage about him looking at porn, in context with the silence about the actually properly disturbing revelations that came out a couple of weeks ago before that bloke hung himself, about people being silenced after trying to report abuse.
You care about the porn watching, I don't. And please don't berate me for not 'knowing what i mean' on that other subject, in which I'm being as brave as i know how, seeing as you'd never get called a terf.

Yeh. It's nothing to do with being brave, when you've been asked to identify what the wider issue consists of you went oh noes I can't. And I'm not looking for outrage here, haven't asked for it. I'm looking for recognition that watching porn at work is wrong. Unless that's your job of course. It creates an environment conducive to harassment. It's nothing to do with the quality of the porn or your view of porn.

 

[bimble]

Yeh. It's nothing to do with being brave, when you've been asked to identify what the wider issue consists of you went oh noes I can't. And I'm not looking for outrage here, haven't asked for it. I'm looking for recognition that watching porn at work is wrong. Unless that's your job of course. It creates an environment conducive to harassment. It's nothing to do with the quality of the porn or your view of porn.

I did not say 'oh noes i can't', I said I couldn't answer in a sentence what the wider issue is with regard to how trans rights and feminism might collide but explained that my concern lies with the whole idea of 'gender identity' as an innate ineffable personal thing.
If you think that internet porn is, on balance, a bad thing for society then I'm in full agreement, but I don't think this twit watching porn is in any way different from 99% of most porn-watching twits, so don't think this is any sort of worthy cause for alarm or news. Are you free to fight and denigrate eachother all night?

 

[weepiper]

How can he properly represent his female constituents when he views them as objects?

 

[bimble]

How can he properly represent his female constituents when he views them as objects?

No man who watches porn should be allowed to be an mp?
The 'talent' pool is pathetic enough as it is.

 

[weepiper]

Also, surely him feeling comfortable enough to watch loads of grot in his office during work hours is inextricably linked with the general atmosphere of sexual harrrassment.

 

[Pickman's model]

I did not say 'oh noes i can't', I said I couldn't answer in a sentence what the wider issue is with regard to how trans rights and feminism might collide but explained that my concern lies with the whole idea of 'gender identity' as an innate ineffable personal thing.
If you think that internet porn is, on balance, a bad thing for society then I'm in full agreement, but I don't think this twit watching porn is in any way different from 99% of most porn-watching twits, so don't think this is any sort of worthy cause for alarm or news. Are you free to fight and denigrate eachother all night?

The wider issue isn't to do with gender, it's to do with negotiating and discussing intractable problems to reach a solution in an atmosphere of mutual respect.

And I'm free to do what I want.

 

[bimble]

Also, surely him feeling comfortable enough to watch loads of grot in his office during work hours is inextricably linked with the general atmosphere of sexual harrrassment.

Yes. so lets ban all porn.