Westminster sexual abuse scandals

[bimble]

No, I know, but the new legislation includes consensual s&m stuff, and people acting, pretending to be in pain etc.
Here's the relevant bit of the legislation mentioned in the article, that the article doesn't mention: "Sections 63 to 67 of the Act make it an offence to possess pornographic images that depict acts which threaten a person's life; acts which result in or are likely to result in serious injury.."
But you never know maybe he really was into animals or corpses.
Still I find it hard to care about what porn he was watching when we know that women on both sides of the house were told repeatedly not to talk about being raped / assaulted by their colleagues.

 

[Wilf]

No, I know, but the new legislation includes consensual s&m stuff, and people acting, pretending to be in pain etc.
Here's the relevant bit of the legislation mentioned in the article, that the article doesn't mention: "Sections 63 to 67 of the Act make it an offence to possess pornographic images that depict acts which threaten a person's life; acts which result in or are likely to result in serious injury.."
But you never know maybe he really was into animals or corpses.
Still I find it hard to care about what porn he was watching when we know that women on both sides of the house were told repeatedly not to talk about being raped / assaulted by their colleagues.

In the ongoing battle between the plod who carried out the raid and green, it's hard to work out whether it was 'genuinely extreme' or 'simulated extreme'. However, there's this bit from the story:

Some of the images were apparently so disturbing the CPS was called in to decide if the Prime Minister’s deputy should be prosecuted.

If that's accurate - that the CPS was called in - it suggests the material was something other than consensual s&m. Hard to tell, plod have pulled stunts before around s&m material, but pushing it up to the cps suggests they were confident about the case they were obviously exploring in what would have been a very high profile case (had it gone to court).

 

[bimble]

Fair enough. If it was indeed film of someone actually being seriously harmed / against their will then it does become relevant I suppose, even if chances of finding out who made the film are tiny.

I'm finding it really odd and a bit disturbing how what I feel are the real stories of sexual abuse at Westminster (the women who came forward to say that they had been assaulted and told to shut up about it) seem to have dropped out of the news.

 

[Wilf]

I'm finding it really odd and a bit disturbing how what I feel are the real stories of sexual abuse at Westminster (the women who came forward to say that they had been assaulted and told to shut up about it) seem to have dropped out of the news.

Yep, Carl Sargeant's suicide seems to have had an impact on the whole story.

 

[killer b]

Ivan Lewis has been suspended.

 

[Poi E]

Got previous form. Bye bye you shit.

 

[agricola]

Ivan Lewis has been suspended.

TBH its a bit mad how long his name was kept out of it.

 

[elbows]

Tories put their foot in it even when its not one of their MPs

Government minister says Ivan Lewis was suspended by Labour because he's a 'Jewish Blairite'

In his tweet, Mr Hands said: "Tough action from Labour leadership against Jewish Blairite Ivan Lewis - but just "a chat" for hate-filled 'Ghetto Boy' rhetoric of Kensington Corbynista Emma Dent Coad."

Mr Hands' intervention was surprising because it is highly unusual for an MP, let alone a minister, to comment on disciplinary matters in another party.

He subsequently tweeted an apology for his "carelessly worded" remark.

 

[Orang Utan]

Mr Hands!
To me, Mr Hands will always be associated with this:
Enumclaw horse sex case - Wikipedia

 

[mauvais]

Ivan Lewis has been suspended.

He's our MP. Known locally as the Invisible Man. Hopefully justice is served.

 

[killer b]

TBH its a bit mad how long his name was kept out of it.

His name has been openly mentioned in the various stories about this since the very first one dropped. I guess the complaint mustn't have been made formally to the LP until this week though, hence the delay in suspending him.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ivan Lewis has been suspended.

However, not by his neck.

 

[Poi E]

Made of brass.

 

[bimble]

Thousands of pornographic images on Damian Green’s computer, says detective
Not 'extreme' (no abuse no children or animals) just thousands of images. Not that this makes it totally fine but i still wonder where the real story has gone, when 'mp watches porn' makes the top of the front page of the guardian.

 

[Wilf]

Thousands of pornographic images on Damian Green’s computer, says detective
Not 'extreme' (no abuse no children or animals) just thousands of images. Not that this makes it totally fine but i still wonder where the real story has gone, when 'mp watches porn' makes the top of the front page of the guardian.

I think the Carl Sargeant suicide has slowed down the whole story on abuse by MPs, but yes, this is the wrong bit of the story - the important thing with Green should be the alleged sexual harassment. Same time, Jess Phillips gets to the heart of it ( ):

“If what is being said, which I hope is being submitted to the proper investigation, is believed to be true on the balance of probabilities, then yes it does change things and Damian Green cannot stay in his position,” she said.
“The pressure is mounting on him. There is no illegality but would you be fired if you looked at pornography on your work computer? The problem for me in all of this is how people use their power to not live by the same rules that everybody else has to.”

And to take it to the next level, it's the fact that he'll no doubt keep his job, at least in the short term, using the 'no, I didn't do it' defence. If anybody in a normal workplace tried that, after having porn found on their personal PC, that they were actually logged onto, with (presumably) their own password, it would be P45 time.

The other bit of the story for me is the mix of stupidity and entitlement. I'm not exactly wise to the ways of servers and other IT stuff, but presumably the House of Commons tech systems are set up to detect unusual activity - hacking in particular. Whilst this isn't that, there is presumably a good chance that his browsing activity was logged somewhere. MPs no doubt have high privacy settings, but he should have at least known his wank sites were being stored in some form.

 

[bimble]

Just another routine 'politicians don't live in the same world as everyone else' scandal then, like the expenses one. I don't know, thought there was something more here, that tied in with the me too moment and might actually bring about some change.

 

[not-bono-ever]

so 2 outcomes

a) he is lying - Defenestration
b) he has allowed someone else to use his computers/ passwords and given them free access to confidential information - Defenestration

oh and another

c) Defenestration just for the hell of it as he is a twat

 

[Nine Bob Note]

It strikes me that sitting at his desk (assuming in a private office) rubbing one out is perhaps the least destructive thing a tory cabinet minister could do whilst at work...

 

[Wilf]

b) he has allowed someone else to use his computers/ passwords and given them free access to confidential information - Defenestration

And that's the logic of this: if that's his defence the Cabinet Office should be reminding him of the importance of locking his door, not giving his password to other people etc. Given that everyone involved knows he's lying, I don't exactly see them going down that route. Fucking hell, it's almost a locked room murder mystery.

'Milord, my client, wishes to state that this was a shared w***ing facility'.

 

[Teaboy]

It strikes me that sitting at his desk (assuming in a private office) rubbing one out is perhaps the least destructive thing a tory cabinet minister could do whilst at work...

Yes, the least disgusting thing he'll do all day.

 

[CNT36]

I think the Carl Sargeant suicide has slowed down the whole story on abuse by MPs, but yes, this is the wrong bit of the story - the important thing with Green should be the alleged sexual harassment. Same time, Jess Phillips gets to the heart of it ( ):

And to take it to the next level, it's the fact that he'll no doubt keep his job, at least in the short term, using the 'no, I didn't do it' defence. If anybody in a normal workplace tried that, after having porn found on their personal PC, that they were actually logged onto, with (presumably) their own password, it would be P45 time.

I've always wondered why? If it's legal and they're not distributing it, making co-workers watch it, sending inappropriate emails or other creepy shit how is it different to watching a film at lunchtime or listening to music?

 

[Spymaster]

I've always wondered why? If it's legal and they're not distributing it, making co-workers watch it, sending inappropriate emails or other creepy shit how is it different to watching a film at lunchtime or listening to music?

Well presumably his browsing wasn’t just restricted to lunchtime but yes, this is a witch hunt. The ex copper who leaked this is a scumbag.

 

[killer b]

Yes, the least disgusting thing he'll do all day.

it's the least disgusting thing he's ever done.

 

[bimble]

I wish people would stop saying witch hunt. Witches weren’t a real thing so not really a good analogy.

 

[DotCommunist]

its not a witchunt. He did, in fact, have a shit load of grot on his work computer. So fuck him. Wank in your own house, not the workplace

 

[Spymaster]

its not a witchunt. He did, in fact, have a shit load of grot on his work computer. So fuck him. Wank in your own house, not the workplace

Easy to say because it’s a Tory but folk here would be way less vehement about it if it was another party’s minister and next time it will be. And how bad is this? Porn pages can easily contain 30 or more images each so “thousands of images” could represent just a couple of hours clicking through quickwank.com

 

[DotCommunist]

Easy to say because it’s a Tory but folk here would be way less vehement about it if it was another party’s minister and next time it will be. And how bad is this? Porn pages can easily contain 30 or more images each so “thousands of images” could represent just a couple of hours clicking through quickwank.com

nope, I remain resolutely non partisan in my judgement of these dirty bastards. You know for a fact C-byns browser history is clean anyway.
different order of misconduct but you didn't see me reserving judgement when simon danczuk was found out sexting a 17 year old

 

[Orang Utan]

Easy to say because it’s a Tory but folk here would be way less vehement about it if it was another party’s minister and next time it will be. And how bad is this? Porn pages can easily contain 30 or more images each so “thousands of images” could represent just a couple of hours clicking through quickwank.com

I had presumed the images had been downloaded, rather than pages visited?

 

[Idaho]

All things you view on the Internet are by definition downloaded.

 

[Spymaster]

I had presumed the images had been downloaded, rather than pages visited?

Viewed. So look at one page with photo links and you could be viewing 50 images. You could do a thousand in a few clicks.