Westminster sexual abuse scandals

[friedaweed]

Hold onto your hats for a blackmail scandal

Theresa May's former Communications Director Kate Perrior has made an explosive allegation that instead of punishing the misconduct of Tory MPs, the Tory whips use knowledge of incidents like degenerate behaviour and sexual harassment to blackmail MPs into towing the party line.

Here's exactly what she told BBC Breakfast:
"The information is held by the whips, because they use it to make sure that MPs know that other people within the party know exactly what they’ve been up to, and that behaviour either is not acceptable, or it will be used against them – you will vote in a certain way or we will tell your wife exactly what you’ve been up to."

The Tory party systematically blackmail their depraved MPs into subservience

There's a rather unfortunate message at the end of that web page.

Another Angry Voice is a "Pay As You Feel" website.

 

[killer b]

I saw a comment on twitter to the effect that the braying, blokeish atmosphere of the commons could be seen as a bit of an indicator of the attitudes held by many there.

this is bollocks isn't it? every time someone gets fingered for being a creepy fuck atm, their enemies sagely comment that of course, it was obvious: their behaviour before being unmasked as a beast was a total red flag. It isn't though.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I don't want to reduce this to party advantage, but Corbyn would be well advised to take rapid action against any of his MPs who get credible accusations against them. As well as being a good idea in itself - to sideline the more creepy, gropey fuckers - it would put the pressure on May to act.

He was pretty quick to suspend Jared O'Mara for less serious misdemeanours.

 

[elbows]

this is bollocks isn't it? every time someone gets fingered for being a creepy fuck atm, their enemies sagely comment that of course, it was obvious: their behaviour before being unmasked as a beast was a total red flag. It isn't though.

That happens but surely far more common is the situation where the offender did have a reputation beforehand, and loads of people within their sphere knew, to one degree or another, what they were like.

For example I'm sure lots of people within the Westminster bubble know who lots of people on that tory spreadsheet are. I'm not in that bubble so I don't, but if people get exposed publicly then its understandable that we will hear from a bunch of people, including journalists, who were previously silent.

 

[killer b]

That happens but surely far more common is the situation where the offender did have a reputation beforehand, and loads of people within their sphere knew, to one degree or another, what they were like.

For example I'm sure lots of people within the Westminster bubble know who lots of people on that tory spreadsheet are. I'm not in that bubble so I don't, but if people get exposed publicly then its understandable that we will hear from a bunch of people, including journalists, who were previously silent.

Absolutely, people often get reps for being creepy fucks when they're creepy fucks. But that's not what someone on twitter is talking about when they talk about the braying blokeish atmosphere at Westminster.

When Sam Kriss got unmasked the other week, his pursed-lipped detractors claiming well we knew all along because he was colourfully rude about people on the internet was a fairly depressing sight. If being aggressive or rude is a mark of a beast, there's a lot of people on urban who should be worried...

 

[Wilf]

He was pretty quick to suspend Jared O'Mara for less serious misdemeanours.

Aye, I just hope he follows suit for others further up the food chain. I've seen stuff on here and beyond suggesting there are former cabinet ministers out there who have been at least as bad - and during their time in parliament. But yes, the O'mara suspension was good, because he was apparently a Corbyn fan. I know there's a debate about whether his behaviour should be excused on the grounds that he was 'only 20' at the time, something I'm not sure about tbh, but suspension was a good move.

 

[Brainaddict]

this is bollocks isn't it? every time someone gets fingered for being a creepy fuck atm, their enemies sagely comment that of course, it was obvious: their behaviour before being unmasked as a beast was a total red flag. It isn't though.

Well, I'm not going to die in a ditch to defend that line of thought, and you're right it's too easy to say it was obvious after the fact, but I think it's the nature of patriarchy that willy-waving macho group behaviour and abuse are likely to be found together. The commons does seem to display some weird public schoolboy version of machismo, that's all.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Hmmm, is this just clumsily phrased or is C4 News going for it?

 

[killer b]

tune in at 7pm to find out!

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

tune in at 7pm to find out!

I can't get the Channel 4 player to work on my computer, and my telly's fucked.

 

[killer b]

I don't expect you'll need to wait long if they're for real.

 

[agricola]

Well, I'm not going to die in a ditch to defend that line of thought, and you're right it's too easy to say it was obvious after the fact, but I think it's the nature of patriarchy that willy-waving macho group behaviour and abuse are likely to be found together. The commons does seem to display some weird public schoolboy version of machismo, that's all.

TBH I am not sure that it (the braying / blokeish behaviour) is necessarily that much of an indicator as and of itself; if anything this scandal bears all the hallmarks of the previous MP misbehaving scandals - the blatant nature of the wrongdoing, the silence from journalists who knew the stories before they came out, the deliberate confusion over whether anything "wrong" (in official terms) has actually been done and the lack of any meaningful action when the wrongdoing is exposed (Bercow's comment today about MPs "employing" their staff being a particularly mendacious one, given who actually pays the wages of the staff).

 

[Fingers]

Staines should have dropped it all yesterday, he has been trumped by C4 News. Shame

 

[J Ed]

Anyone else think that this is going to be huge? I don't think that the media/public/body politic has really processed the fact that we now know that the government are using knowledge of sexual abuse as leverage.

 

[killer b]

Hmm I don't think they are going to give us any names.

 

[tim]

Anyone else think that this is going to be huge? I don't think that the media/public/body politic has really processed the fact that we now know that the government are using knowledge of sexual abuse as leverage.

The fact that thw whips use their knowledge to blackmail MPs has never been a secret, has it?

 

[J Ed]

The fact that thw whipd use theitr knowledge to blackmail MPs has never been a secret, has it?

No, I think it's just been seen as part of the game. Hard to see how, with the recent shift in societal attitudes, sexual abuse being part of the game is seen as anything other than reprehensible.

 

[elbows]

 

[killer b]

I'm not a sex pest - I'm a feminist is a classic.

 

[butchersapron]

That would be the one being 'perpetually intoxicated'.

 

[killer b]

the redactions look a bit random.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

"Paid a female to be quiet" - Is that in connection with anything else, or was she just going on a bit?

 

[elbows]

the redactions look a bit random.

Always hard to answer that without seeing the unreacted version but it doesn't look random to me. Names column, ministerial etc roles column (my guess), and the words removed from the description column are probably considered to be too close to being clues that could lead to more accurate name guessing if revealed.

 

[elbows]

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I'm not a sex pest - I'm a feminist is a classic.

Someone with lines like that would be entertaining on a tv panel show...

 

[killer b]

Always hard to answer that without seeing the unreacted version but it doesn't look random to me. Names column, ministerial etc roles column (my guess), and the words removed from the description column are probably considered to be too close to being clues that could lead to more accurate name guessing if revealed.

oh is the name column missing from the one I've posted?

 

[mx wcfc]

oh is the name column missing from the one I've posted?

Yes, and that's probably not a bad thing.

 

[killer b]

well. it'll turn up soon enough.

 

[elbows]

oh is the name column missing from the one I've posted?

Yeah but its just solid black and I can only find it on the Guido website so I'm not going to bother linking to it.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Video exists of one MP engaged in an extreme sex act with three men, reportedly

Well, I think that's disgraceful.