War on Woke: Conservative Cultural Campaigning

[Serge Forward]

Robert Johnson, Lightnin' Hopkins, BB King, etc, all "woke up this mornin'..."

 

[Elpenor]

Robert Johnson, Lightnin' Hopkins, BB King, etc, all "woke up this mornin'..."

not just woke, but more woke than the previous day!

 

[Lotte]

I guess we can add 'not wanting to be sexually harassed or have men making gross sex jokes at us to make us feel small and humiliated' to the list of Woke Things.

 

[moochedit]

Not new. "Woke" has just replaced "PC" or "political correctness gorn maaadd" as the arseholes favourate insult for things they don't like.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Not new. "Woke" has just replaced "PC" or "political correctness gorn maaadd" as the arseholes favourate insult for things they don't like.

It is a bit different I'd say. I don't think PC ever had the same range of 'hate and fear the entire modern world' in it.

 

[Cloo]

The big difference I think, that those other things have been the stepping stones towards, is that 'woke', as in 'awareness of systemic injustice' is pretty fundamentally anticapitalist.

'Political correctness' looked issues kind of in isolation, but all roads of woke lead back to 'the problem is capitalism'. Which is why people in power hate it so much - because this time I think they are actually a bit afraid of wider society catching on, so they must make it look ridiculous and extreme.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

The big difference I think, that those other things have been the stepping stones towards, is that 'woke', as in 'awareness of systemic injustice' is pretty fundamentally anticapitalist.

'Political correctness' looked issues kind of in isolation, but all roads of woke lead back to 'the problem is capitalism'. Which is why people in power hate it so much - because this time I think they are actually a bit afraid of wider society catching on, so they must make it look ridiculous and extreme.

Not so sure woke is anti-capitalist: think it fits in with identity politics and the use of virtue-signalling by corporations/bureaucracies

 

[Cloo]

Not so sure woke is anti-capitalist: think it fits in with identity politics and the use of virtue-signalling by corporations/bureaucracies

Well there's woke and there's woke, innit? Yes, there is performative, empty corporate woke but there is also its origin sense of awareness and response to social injustice that I think is very dot-joining about inequality, privilege and capitalism.

And identity politics? I think either everything is identity politics or nothing is. White is still an identity. Male is still an identity. It's quite ironic some people decrying others' 'identity politics' as if their doing so isn't also an act of 'identity politics', as if their identity is politically neutral.

 

[BassJunkie]

"political correctness gorn maaadd"

I always thought of that as synonymous with "good manners".

I think of "Woke" these days as "something I don't like".

 

[isvicthere?]

woke = "something I dont like"

yawn

If "I" = a lazy right-wing columnist or commentator.

 

[moochedit]

If "I" = a lazy right-wing columnist or commentator.

Or facebook comments poster.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Well there's woke and there's woke, innit? Yes, there is performative, empty corporate woke but there is also its origin sense of awareness and response to social injustice that I think is very dot-joining about inequality, privilege and capitalism.

And identity politics? I think either everything is identity politics or nothing is. White is still an identity. Male is still an identity. It's quite ironic some people decrying others' 'identity politics' as if their doing so isn't also an act of 'identity politics', as if their identity is politically neutral.

That is a misrepresentation of my position but I realise discussion of that is futile. So, whatever…apologies for entering this minefield/echo chamber of a non-debate

 

[Lotte]

Not new. "Woke" has just replaced "PC" or "political correctness gorn maaadd" as the arseholes favourate insult for things they don't like.

True, it's PC in a new guise BUT there's something obscene about taking a black American word for socially conscious and twisting it into an insult.

 

[NoXion]

Those not-easily-detachable plastic bottle tops really are shite though. But not for any reason that has anything to do with "wokeness". It's only making our lives just that tiny little bit more irritating in the name of corporate greenwashing.

 

[krtek a houby]

PC, social justice warriors, right on, loony left, snowflakes, woke... Same old tired "insults".

 

[Elpenor]

Those not-easily-detachable plastic bottle tops really are shite though. But not for any reason that has anything to do with "wokeness". It's only making our lives just that tiny little bit more irritating in the name of corporate greenwashing.

Nah, I have found them really useful. You don’t lose the cap when dispensing the bottle into a glass or mug.

 

[NoXion]

Nah, I have found them really useful. You don’t lose the cap when dispensing the bottle into a glass or mug.

I wasn't losing the cap beforehand. Besides, if I'm pouring it out into another container then I'm going to be throwing away both bottle and cap in very short order.

 

[Spymaster]

Nah, I have found them really useful. You don’t lose the cap when dispensing the bottle into a glass or mug.

Bastard things. If you drink from the bottle you you get a drip from the cap down your front. Irritating when it’s a strawberry milkshake and a white t-shirt.

 

[two sheds]

and if you don't concentrate 100% on getting the position of the cap right you can pour stuff all over the table

 

[Spymaster]

I wasn't losing the cap beforehand. Besides, if I'm pouring it out into another container then I'm going to be throwing away both bottle and cap in very short order.

Exactly. Who the fuck loses bottle tops?

They’ve solved a problem that didn’t exist.

 

[NoXion]

The real woke move would be to stop putting food and drinks in so much plastic shite.

 

[emanymton]

Exactly. Who the fuck loses bottle tops?

They’ve solved a problem that didn’t exist.

As NoXion said it so they can Greenwash, and so many are letting them get away with it by pretending they are good thing.

 

[emanymton]

The real woke move would be to stop putting food and drinks in so much plastic shite.

Exactly is still the same amount of bloody plastic

 

[Elpenor]

Bastard things. If you drink from the bottle you you get a drip from the cap down your front. Irritating when it’s a strawberry milkshake and a white t-shirt.

Who drinks from the bottle?

 

[xenon]

Those not-easily-detachable plastic bottle tops really are shite though. But not for any reason that has anything to do with "wokeness". It's only making our lives just that tiny little bit more irritating in the name of corporate greenwashing.

I've seen these mentioned a few times and really don't get what the problem is supposed to be. Unless I've not come across them, which seems unlikely. Take for example, the 500ml bottle of diet coke. If you really want, you can twist the cap to snap it off but it's more convenient to leave it attached anyway and doesn't risk dropping it.

 

[xenon]

You people who can't work bottles are weird:

 

[xenon]

Who drinks from the bottle?

Erm, me. But not all in one go, so the attached lid is handy.

 

[emanymton]

I've seen these mentioned a few times and really don't get what the problem is supposed to be. Unless I've not come across them, which seems unlikely. Take for example, the 500ml bottle of diet coke. If you really want, you can twist the cap to snap it off but it's more convenient to leave it attached anyway and doesn't risk dropping it.

I normally do twist it off, but it is extra messing about and you risk spillage.

If you leave it it just hangs there like an annoying awkward lump that keeps getting in the way and if you aren't careful drips on you.

Drinking from a bottle shouldn't need an real attention or thought giving to it.

 

[xenon]

I normally do twist it off, but it is extra messing about and you risk spillage.

If you leave it it just hangs there like an annoying awkward lump that keeps getting in the way and if you aren't careful drips on you.

Drinking from a bottle shouldn't need an real attention or thought giving to it.

I dunno what you lot are doing. I've never had the lid drip on me. Must be talking about some other kind of bottle. The ones I'm used to have had the same type of lid for yonks. Unless you're tipping the bottle upside down I can't see how you get liquid in the lid in the first place.

 

[emanymton]

I dunno what you lot are doing. I've never had the lid drip on me. Must be talking about some other kind of bottle. The ones I'm used to have had the same type of lid for yonks. Unless you're tipping the bottle upside down I can't see how you get liquid in the lid in the first place.

Had it a bag for a bit, or you need to give it a shake before drinking then you have dripping cap stuck to the bottle you are drinking out of.